Nah, talking about the Federali going after actual criminals. I misunderstood what you meant by "they". Anything I've seen shows that sanctuary cities may help reduce crime. The Federali needs to go after actual criminals and even then, they shouldn't be sent to countries they haven't been to nor a foreign gulagSo you think sanctuary cities should change how they do things?
Thats too bad. I thought we were getting close to agreeing on something else besides H1 visas.
Against a masked man that refuses to identify himself? That's called self-defense boot-licker.
The mods join in.
Some of us even have to remind a mod that they're breaking their own rules, and have them delete a bunch of their own posts...
The raw number of crimes will go up. The rates of crime per capita go down, because it is true that they commit violent crimes at a much lower rate. It makes sense too as flying under the radar is part of their daily routine and committing violent crimes puts you in the radar.
He’s still doing it, mods.
That doesn’t seem accurate.
“FACT: Anyone who commits a crime in a sanctuary city is still subject to the same criminal proceedings as anyone else.
FACT: Sanctuary policies do not limit all cooperation with federal immigration authorities.
- New York’s sanctuary policies only bar local law enforcement from honoring ICE detainer requests, which seek to hold undocumented immigrants in custody for up to an additional 48 hours after they would normally be released.
- Local law enforcement is permitted to honor detainer requests including when ICE provides a judicial warrant.”
Getting the Facts Straight on Sanctuary Cities - NYC, Long Island, New York State | New York Immigration Coalition - Revision
Recent incidents in New York City have fueled fear-mongering and baseless attacks on sanctuary city policies. New York’s long-standing sanctuary policies are public safety measures – laws that protect entire communities and encourage immigrants to access police protection. The term “sanctuary...www.nyic.org
So far what Noem said just sounds like the usual propaganda, but I’m open to changing my mind as I get more info.
So say the dumbest posters in the WR
The poster I responded to said, “The police have orders not to help ICE or hold criminal illegals,” and that’s not really accurate.
lawreview.law.miami.edu
The poster I responded to said, “The police have orders not to help ICE or hold criminal illegals,” and that’s not really accurate.
If the immigrant in question had been convicted of violent crimes they’d hold them, or if ICE had a judicial warrant, they’d hold them, or if the immigrant was in the terrorist screening database, they’d hold them.
A detainer is a voluntary request, and several judges have found them unconstitutional (and I would agree with that). Courts have ruled that states are not required hold people past their release date/time because of a detainer.
“Courts have held that an additional 48 hours of detention constitutes a new arrest. This new arrest is a “seizure” under the Fourth Amendment, and thus requires independent authority. The United States Supreme Court, in Horton v. California, has said that seizures “conducted outside the judicial process without prior approval by a judge or magistrate, are per se unreasonable…”
ICE Detainers – Constitutional or Not? | University of Miami Law Review
So it’s the Constitution and the courts making it harder for ICE, not far left woke sanctuary city blah blah.
"When asked what policies would have prevented the shooting, Noem did not provide specifics."
Sanctuary Cities and Crime
Sanctuary cities do not appear to increase crime rates and may even help reduce certain types of crime, particularly property crime. Multiple studies have found no significant evidence that sanctuary policies lead to higher crime rates. For instance, a study by Yuki Otsu found that sanctuary policies do not cause an increase in violent crimes but may lead to a decrease in property crime, with the effect becoming stronger over time. Another study published in the Journal of Economic Behavior & Organization concluded that sanctuary policies do not increase crime and may contribute to lower property crime rates due to increased trust between residents and police.
Research also suggests that sanctuary policies can enhance public safety by encouraging undocumented immigrants to report crimes and cooperate with law enforcement without fear of deportation. This increased cooperation can lead to better crime prevention and resolution. A 2017 report by the Center for American Progress found that sanctuary counties have lower crime rates and stronger economies compared to non-sanctuary counties.
Additionally, a study by Marta Ascherio found that both property crime and violent crime decreased more in sanctuary counties than in non-sanctuary counties after the implementation of sanctuary policies. Similarly, a 2022 study from the University of Texas at Austin showed that sanctuary practices are associated with a decrease in both property crime and violent crime within counties over time.
Overall, the evidence suggests that sanctuary cities do not contribute to higher crime rates and may, in fact, help reduce crime by fostering trust and cooperation between immigrant communities and local law enforcement.
Multiple people have laughed or ignored it, no one has shown otherwise
