Crime Border Patrol Agent Shot in the Face by Illegal Migrant - Sanctuary City Policies Blamed

[Lycandroid]

Whose stuff were you protecting, though?

My point is, stuff is stuff, it's not irreplaceable, and if it is, you shouldn't really have it on you.

I'd rather hand over some shitty phone or the keys to a car and not have a bullet hole in my face, I don't really care if that sounds like a "cuck" to you.

My stuff essentially, it was a family business. No if I let that shit slide, the guy would come back the next time he needs drug money or he tells his friends this place is an easy mark and I have now put a target on my back by being compliant.

 

[deviake]

Looks like he has prior arrests and deportation order - https://www.ice.gov/most-wanted/miguel-francisco-mora-nunez

One could make the argument that sanctuary policies allowed him to stay longer by not letting local police work with ICE to make sure criminals get removed.

Edit - one more source - https://www.foxnews.com/us/second-s...r-shooting-has-lengthy-criminal-past-dhs-says

Good thing ICE and C&BP are using their resources nabbing people with no criminal records from their jobs and those trying to do things the correct way from court appointments to fill a quota

 

[BFoe]

"He was arrested four different times in New York City, and because of the mayor’s policies and sanctuary city policies, was released back to do harm to people and to individuals living in this city,” she said.

Noem called on leaders of sanctuary cities nationwide to change their policies. When asked what policies would have prevented the shooting, Noem did not provide specifics.

“This individual should have been deported and never been in this country,” she said."

So, this—

When asked what policies would have prevented the shooting, Noem did not provide specifics.

—is what we’re missing here. Of course Trump Admin will blame “radical left thugs and sanctuary city blah blah,” but what specifically? I’ve had trouble finding that info so far.

 

[Siver!]

My stuff essentially, it was a family business. No if I let that shit slide, the guy would come back the next time he needs drug money or he tells his friends this place is an easy mark and I have now put a target on my back by being compliant.

Of course, you could have also put out the idea that "you need to go in heavy to that place" and made your family business a lot more dangerous for you or someone else.

All in all, I'll tell you this, I'm glad we don't have guns over here, Jesus Christ.

I'm lucky enough to have never had anyone come at me with any weapon of any kind, and I'm thankful for that.

 

[oldshadow]

So, this—

—is what we’re missing here. Of course Trump Admin will blame “radical left thugs and sanctuary city blah blah,” but what specifically? I’ve had trouble finding that info so far.

The police have orders not to help ICE or hold criminal illegals. They had him more then once.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Good thing ICE and C&BP are using their resources nabbing people with no criminal records from their jobs and those trying to do things the correct way from court appointments to fill a quota

Do the 2 cancel each other out?

 

[Siver!]

So are you guys talking complete shit here?

Mayor Eric Adams’s Threats to New York as a Sanctuary City | New York City Bar Association

SUMMARY The Immigration and Nationality Law Committee issued a statement urging Mayor Eric Adams to maintain New York City’s longstanding sanctuary city policies. […]

www.nycbar.org

New York City’s sanctuary protections[3] enable all New Yorkers, regardless of citizenship or immigration status, to feel safe in accessing city services, including accessing medical care, taking their children to school, and reporting crimes to the police and cooperating in law enforcement investigations, all without fear that city officials or municipal workers will turn them over to immigration enforcement agents.[4]

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Because I'm not seeing anything here that demands the release of a CRIMINAL?

Where in this policy or these policies plural does it mention that police can't work with ICE?

Looks like another total red herring to me.

 

[AmonTobin]

So ICE Barbie is full of shit? We already knew that.

 

[BFoe]

The police have orders not to help ICE or hold criminal illegals. They had him more then once.

That doesn’t seem accurate.

“FACT: Anyone who commits a crime in a sanctuary city is still subject to the same criminal proceedings as anyone else.

• New York’s sanctuary policies only bar local law enforcement from honoring ICE detainer requests, which seek to hold undocumented immigrants in custody for up to an additional 48 hours after they would normally be released.

FACT: Sanctuary policies do not limit all cooperation with federal immigration authorities.

• Local law enforcement is permitted to honor detainer requests including when ICE provides a judicial warrant.”

Getting the Facts Straight on Sanctuary Cities - NYC, Long Island, New York State | New York Immigration Coalition - Revision

Recent incidents in New York City have fueled fear-mongering and baseless attacks on sanctuary city policies. New York’s long-standing sanctuary policies are public safety measures – laws that protect entire communities and encourage immigrants to access police protection. The term “sanctuary...

www.nyic.org

So far what Noem said just sounds like the usual propaganda, but I’m open to changing my mind as I get more info.

 

[deviake]

Do the 2 cancel each other out?

Uh, yeah? In this individual case? Who knows. Writ large? 100%. It's basic resource allocation. If you're primarily going after nonviolent people, grandmas, kids, day laborers, people actually showing up to court appointments to renew visas and shit like they're supposed to, etc, you have less resources to go after violent criminals.

 

[Siver!]

That doesn’t seem accurate.

“FACT: Anyone who commits a crime in a sanctuary city is still subject to the same criminal proceedings as anyone else.

• New York’s sanctuary policies only bar local law enforcement from honoring ICE detainer requests, which seek to hold undocumented immigrants in custody for up to an additional 48 hours after they would normally be released.

FACT: Sanctuary policies do not limit all cooperation with federal immigration authorities.

• Local law enforcement is permitted to honor detainer requests including when ICE provides a judicial warrant.”

Getting the Facts Straight on Sanctuary Cities - NYC, Long Island, New York State | New York Immigration Coalition - Revision

Recent incidents in New York City have fueled fear-mongering and baseless attacks on sanctuary city policies. New York’s long-standing sanctuary policies are public safety measures – laws that protect entire communities and encourage immigrants to access police protection. The term “sanctuary...

www.nyic.org

So far what Noem said just sounds like the usual propaganda, but I’m open to changing my mind as I get more info.

And here we go.

They got dog whistled by their blame-shifting government, and will now lose yet another debate and believe nonsense like sanctuary cities protect criminals.

They really shouldn't put so much faith in the excuses rolled out by people like Noem, and should start asking Noem why the fuck ICE didn't deport this person sooner.

 

[Lycandroid]

Of course, you could have also put out the idea that "you need to go in heavy to that place" and made your family business a lot more dangerous for you or someone else.

All in all, I'll tell you this, I'm glad we don't have guns over here, Jesus Christ.

I'm lucky enough to have never had anyone come at me with any weapon of any kind, and I'm thankful for that.

No this was in Canada, unless he comes in with a shotgun he isn't going to be able to get his hands on anything much heavier than what he already had. This was a very long time ago before we had the problem we have with gun crime we have today, in fact since this happened and we sold that business there had not been another incident up until the covid era now that place has been hit up several times. Before that we went 15 years without incident and 2 in total over 25 years.

 

[oldshadow]

That doesn’t seem accurate.

“FACT: Anyone who commits a crime in a sanctuary city is still subject to the same criminal proceedings as anyone else.

• New York’s sanctuary policies only bar local law enforcement from honoring ICE detainer requests, which seek to hold undocumented immigrants in custody for up to an additional 48 hours after they would normally be released.

FACT: Sanctuary policies do not limit all cooperation with federal immigration authorities.

• Local law enforcement is permitted to honor detainer requests including when ICE provides a judicial warrant.”

Getting the Facts Straight on Sanctuary Cities - NYC, Long Island, New York State | New York Immigration Coalition - Revision

Recent incidents in New York City have fueled fear-mongering and baseless attacks on sanctuary city policies. New York’s long-standing sanctuary policies are public safety measures – laws that protect entire communities and encourage immigrants to access police protection. The term “sanctuary...

www.nyic.org

So far what Noem said just sounds like the usual propaganda, but I’m open to changing my mind as I get more info.

"ICE detainers are requests from ICE to local law enforcement agencies to hold individuals in custody beyond their release date on local charges, so that ICE can potentially take them into federal custody for immigration proceedings. "

So they will not hold criminal illegals past their release date and dont inform ICE even if they know they are an illegal.

 

[scoopj]

I would think the story should focus on that.

If there's been attempts to apprehend him but it's not been possible, then yeah, there's a connection.

But it’s in the OP. You and @Darkballs must have missed it.

 

[BFoe]

"ICE detainers are requests from ICE to local law enforcement agencies to hold individuals in custody beyond their release date on local charges, so that ICE can potentially take them into federal custody for immigration proceedings. "

So they will not hold criminal illegals past their release date and dont inform ICE even if they know they are an illegal.

I don’t see anywhere that says they won’t inform ICE. I quoted a source that states that isn’t true if ICE has a judicial warrant.

The first part I support: states should not hold people past their release date because a federal agency like ICE wants them. If they want them, they need to show up by the time the person is legally due to be released.

 

[Rob Battisti]

That's actually one of their more entertaining arguments. The same group of tards will swear up and down that poverty causes crime when they want to explain away black crime rates, then will jump right over to a thread on illegal immigration to tell you that importing more people in poverty actually lowers crime. Is this thing on?

lol couldn’t say it better

 

[Darkballs]

But it’s in the OP. You and @Darkballs must have missed it.

Only in theory. There is no mention that any "sanctuary policies," contributed this. Nonetheless, everyone has expressed the same opinion of what is known: That this shitbird needs to be handled in the roughest way possible.

I don't find your rush to judgement to be a virtue.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Uh, yeah? In this individual case? Who knows. Writ large? 100%. It's basic resource allocation. If you're primarily going after nonviolent people, grandmas, kids, day laborers, people actually showing up to court appointments to renew visas and shit like they're supposed to, etc, you have less resources to go after violent criminals.

They're going after the low hanging fruit. There's no reason why criminals in sanctuary cities aren't the lowest hanging fruit. They already have them in custody and all they have to do is pick up the phone.

 

[deviake]

They're going after the low hanging fruit. There's no reason why criminals in sanctuary cities aren't the lowest hanging fruit. They already have them in custody and all they have to do is pick up the phone.

Then maybe they should do that instead of going after grandmas, vets, people who speak out about Israel and the occasional US citizen and doing shows of force in parks that accomplish absolutely nothing

 

[Mr Holmes]

Then maybe they should do that instead of going after grandmas, vets, people who speak out about Israel and the occasional US citizen and doing shows of force in parks that accomplish absolutely nothing

So you think sanctuary cities should change how they do things?