Bodybuilder in a Muay Thai fight

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It's not that his muscles don't work or anything. He simply has no defence, no timing etc.
Besides he is also way too small to be a professional bodybuilder, he looks more like some amateur guy going to a gym 3 times a week while taking roids. Of course a bodybuilder would have a greatest advantage in grappling and pushing without pillow gloves as striking requires a technique to apply strength effectively.
When I think of a bodybuilder I see something like this

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Besides he is also way too small to be a professional bodybuilder, he looks more like some amateur guy going to a gym 3 times a week while taking roids. Of course a bodybuilder would have a greatest advantage in grappling and pushing without pillow gloves as striking requires a technique to apply strength effectively.
When I think of a bodybuilder I see something like this

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Yeah but most body builders are slow as fuck and have no punching power
 
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Besides he is also way too small to be a professional bodybuilder, he looks more like some amateur guy going to a gym 3 times a week while taking roids. Of course a bodybuilder would have a greatest advantage in grappling and pushing without pillow gloves as striking requires a technique to apply strength effectively.
When I think of a bodybuilder I see something like this

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Can those guys even clear the ropes to get into the ring?
 
You're missing the point. The guys saying "muscles are muscles" aren't saying strength is everything and mobility, speed, and cardio are unimportant. They're saying functional strength is bullshit and they're right, it was made up to sell innovation in athletic training and the results of said training were unimpressive.

The way to build functional strength is to build strength because the reality of "functional strength" is that it is just strength with an unnecessary word arbitrarily added to it. For example, you used to hear people say all the time that a high level wrestler feels stronger than the amount of weight he can lift because he has some mysterious form of strength that weight lifters don't know about when the very simple and far more realistic truth is that he feels stronger because of his skill and instinctive understanding of leverage.


good post
 
What a tool.



Simply not true. There are two primary factors in "strenght", taking leverage and technique aside. Mass and nervous wiring. You can cause hypertrophy and add mass, but still be held back by your inhibitiors, kinetics chains, motor patterns and nerve endings. Just like you can improve those factors without gaining much mass(which is basicly what most newbie gains are).

Co-ordination between muscles are also equally or more important than pure strenght in any physical activity that takes skill. Which is basicly any sport. That is why someone who is good at oly lifting will be able to clean and jerk more than a powerlifter, but strict press less. Powerlifting is part skill as well don't get me wrong(or at least correct motorn patterns are very important), but they are different. The oly lifters applied or "functional"(I dislike the word too) strenght in this case will be greater given the task, while his absolute strenght will be lower. It's not just about leverage, it's about co-ordination, explosiveness and nervous wiring.

Point is strenght is not just strenght and that there are different kinds of strenght. Also mass is only part of strenght. Everything is in relations to the task. Luckely a lot of it intertwines so you can definitely gain something from a proper S&C program.

I'd say that the BB's mass and strenght helped him absolutely none in this fight.

-Yeah, there is a difference between strength training and isolating a muscle group for sarcoplasmic gains.

--There has always been a saying in sports that a guy "knows how to use his strength"
 
-Yeah, there is a difference between strength training and isolating a muscle group for sarcoplasmic gains.

--There has always been a saying in sports that a guy "knows how to use his strength"
There isn't any difference between the two. Isolating muscle groups is a must if you want have even muscle development because compound exercises don't work on all muscle groups equally or even at all. Bodybuilders are often overall stronger than powerlifters thanks to being less specialised even if top bodybuilders lift less in those 3 exercises than top powerlifters.
 
Yeah but most body builders are slow as fuck and have no punching power
That's a myth, bodybuilders should be a way faster than a regular guy with small muscles as speed depends on speed of contractions and strong muscles can contract much faster than weak ones. Same with punching power, were you ever cleanly hit by a 140kg+ probodybuilder? I wasn't but when I was 13 years old I got pushed in the chest by a massive bodybuilder and it hurt my lower spine so I assure they are strong especially mid-cycle.
 
My limited understanding is that not all strength is equal. I don't know if functional is the right word.

There are so many small muscles, tendons and ligaments that are necessary for athletic movement that if they're not strengthened properly you'll never fully harness the strength of the big muscle groups.
 
There isn't any difference between the two. Isolating muscle groups is a must if you want have even muscle development because compound exercises don't work on all muscle groups equally or even at all. Bodybuilders are often overall stronger than powerlifters thanks to being less specialised even if top bodybuilders lift less in those 3 exercises than top powerlifters.
wut?
I do admit bodybuilders (experienced lifters) are strong. Some have 500+ deadlift, 350+ bench. But to say they're stronger than a competitive powerlifter, then I'm not going to buy that.

Unless you're comparing both lifter's max on lateral raises or hack squats. Even then I'm still doubtful.

Also it goes by weight class. I have never seen a bodybuilder as the same weight class with a powerlifter than can pull more impressive numbers than said PLer.

Besides lot of PLers do assistance work as well. WSBB is heavy on accessory work.
 
wut?
I do admit bodybuilders (experienced lifters) are strong. Some have 500+ deadlift, 350+ bench. But to say they're stronger than a competitive powerlifter, then I'm not going to buy that.

Unless you're comparing both lifter's max on lateral raises or hack squats. Even then I'm still doubtful.

Also it goes by weight class. I have never seen a bodybuilder as the same weight class with a powerlifter than can pull more impressive numbers than said PLer.

Besides lot of PLers do assistance work as well. WSBB is heavy on accessory work.
Overall they are stronger as they have strong all muscles groups and individual muscles. while a powerlifter is specialized, unless he also does a bodybuilding type training. Bodybuilders are weaker in those 3 exercises than top powerlifters because they don't have time to focus on them, as they need to have all muscles evenly developed not just some muscles like powerlifters.
 
dat GH gut leaves him wide open to the liver shot
 
That's a myth, bodybuilders should be a way faster than a regular guy with small muscles as speed depends on speed of contractions and strong muscles can contract much faster than weak ones. Same with punching power, were you ever cleanly hit by a 140kg+ probodybuilder? I wasn't but when I was 13 years old I got pushed in the chest by a massive bodybuilder and it hurt my lower spine so I assure they are strong especially mid-cycle.
No, it's not a myth. And please, that is not how speed works. Look at Manny's shadowboxing, he wouldn't be faster if he was jacked.

And punching power also doesn't work like that. I've been hit clean by 140kg+ bodybuilders, and it hurts way less than getting hit by a 60kg boxer.

It's well known by anyone who has to fight a lot of different people (bouncers, mostly) that it's not a myth -- bodybuilders are slow and don't hit hard, as a generalization.
 
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