Bodybuilder in a Muay Thai fight

trying to figure out why the muscle guy wanted to put himself through this to begin with? Did he fly to Thailand and train for a month like some kind of bucket list thing?
 
Kenjamito said:
trying to figure out why the muscle guy wanted to put himself through this to begin with? Did he fly to Thailand and train for a month like some kind of bucket list thing?
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Entirely likely. Or, he was there on holiday for a month or two anyway, saw it, figured he'd be the dog's bollocks at it, trained for a week or two, and had his dreams swept away.
 
Kiwi said:
figured he'd be the dog's bollocks at it, trained for a week or two, and had his dreams swept away.
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I'm goin to start saying "dog's bollocks" lol
 
Just by looking at the fighters I was expecting the buff dude to get wrecked.
 
cakemuncher said:
I found this (rather old) video on this blog post: http://muaythaipros.com/fight-of-the-week-size-vs-more-size-bodybuilder/

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The post was all about the difference between functional and non-functional muscle. However, the difference in this case seems more due to experience, don't you think? I mean the bodybuilder guy looked like a complete beginner. I almost started yelling at the computer: Cmon, do something! :-)
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I agree. It was a sad f-ckup of a fight :( It's pretty obvious the big guy hasn't had much training of any kind whatsoever. Of course he'll be an easy target. Also, the size difference doesn't look massive to me. Let's assume the fighter is 185 cm 85 kg and the big guy 180 cm 100 kg. 15 kg is easy to overcome with that skill difference. Only those not in the know would find this kind of match-up exciting.

As for functional vs "non-functional" muscle I think that's mainly bogus, yes. Muscle mass is muscle mass, period. Then of course you'll use some muscles more than others in a fight. In boxing for example, I've always feared guys with a big ass and massive shins more than guys with big biceps and pecs.
 
I don't think the term functional or non functional muscle(in regards to specific sports) is a bad term. Muscle is not just muscle. There are many factors involved.

Explosiveness(power/speed and stretch shortening reflex work), co-contractions(muscles working together and at the right time), antagonist inhibation(not tensing or overusing the opposing muscles that slow the movements down), neurological adaptions(motor pattern learning and performance) or in other words, working the muscles, kinetic chains and skills towards a specific task or sport.

Not to mention that at a certain point, muscle mass will slow you down. Especially water retaining, bloated steroid muscles. Hypertrophy can occur with less density in a muscle as well, which combined with all the other factors is why size does not always equal strenght(though it almost always helps).

His muscles, training and weight, in this case, actually hinders him in the fight.
 
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To be honest the muscle guy reminded me of my first smoker. Not that I am any way shape or form muscular like him, but the fact that he just took everything. For some reason I thought it would be a good idea to just block everything and wait for my opponent to tire out. Wrong. The muscle guy looked very timid and not wanting to throw back. His punches were painfully slow and awkward, just kind of sticking them out there. Dude's so muscular I bet he has a hard time wiping his ass.
 
Man the way that muscle maintained his high school marching band cadence through the fight pissed me off. He might make a good stripper with that kind of rhythm and bod. Stop marking time!!
 
All these people who say "muscles are muscles" make me laugh. As if being 6'1" 450 lbs was beneficial for combat sports or even just healthy. I've always thought mobility, speed and cardio were crucial in a stand-up fight but apparently looking like The Incredible Hulk is just as important.
 
Former strongman Arild "Hulk" Haugen (6'2'' and 317 lbs) had some boxing fights that he won. He wasn't like anything amazing, but at least better than this guy.

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Muscle can definitely help when you combine it with substantial skill though

(Assuming the fight wasn't fixed etc)

 
sb413197 said:
Muscle can definitely help when you combine it with substantial skill though

(Assuming the fight wasn't fixed etc)

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Back when Sapp could actually take a decent punch.

I think that has more to do with Sapp being a HUGE beast of a man and having a 150lbs weight advantage. Also basicly holding Hoost in place with one hand, AND hitting him like 4-5 times after the bell rang.
 
poor guy lol

also...

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tiger mt classy as usual lol
(slit throat gesture at 5:25)
 
All this functional shit is just that... shit. Your muscle is fit for purpose. If you train to be able to achieve a nice pump, guess what? You're muscles are functional at achieving a nice pump. If you train with heavy weights you'll be good at moving heavy weights. Fighting, especially pure striking hasn't much to do with moving heavy weights at all, the heaviest object you are ever likely to lift is the bodyweight of your opponent but in striking you're are breaking the rules if you are doing that.

The BB will be fine for the first minute of the round and then you'd expect him to gas. This guy didn't gas because he wasn't putting in any work. Just watch a Mariusz Pudzianowski fight to see what happens to a big buff (functionally strong) guy when he's forced to work for several minutes at a time instead of a 60 seconds of anaerobic effort. And Mariusz was reknowned as a strongman who had markedly superior conditioning to his fellow competitors but in MMA his conditioning was/is a liability. Striking is even less about pure limit strength than MMA, endurance and overall cardiac output is far more important. The functionality of the muscle you need for fighting is different to lifting big weights.

But what has this to do with that clip? Not much because the lesser muscled guy was a much better fighter. Faster by a significant margin and much more experienced and skilled. Muscle functionality didn't even factor into the equation.
 
Sano1 said:
Back when Sapp could actually take a decent punch.

I think that has more to do with Sapp being a HUGE beast of a man and having a 150lbs weight advantage. Also basicly holding Hoost in place with one hand, AND hitting him like 4-5 times after the bell rang.
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In one of the fight I believe Hoost made a voluntary mistake while trying to beat Sapp like a train, he didin
 
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