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god that is shit compared to boxing.
Bob Arum explains why the UFC fighters get paid nothing
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There are also more weight classes with 4 recognized world titles in each division (and in many divisions, the titles are spread out among at least 3 fighters sometimes 4).
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He's telling truth. I've brought this up many times now but by all estimates the split is 70/30 in boxing and 10/90 in the UFC. Most sports are at 50/50.
So what Dana did was not "fix scummy boxing" but make an even scummier system.
So what Dana did was not "fix scummy boxing" but make an even scummier system.
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There are tons of stories of boxers that didn't make any serious money until they became champs and even then not until they got big fights with other stars. Marvin Hagler was something like 35-0 and was not making anything by his own admission. Remember the guys on the Contender? They were all ranked and all had 2nd jobs to pay the bills..
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Not disputing that. I am disputing the 22k figure for Barao which is a flat out lie. Also disputing that MMA fighters are underpaid.
The Difference between boxing and mma are structure. There isn't an organization in Boxing with 400+ fighters in it. The ordanizations, production company, and promoter are all separate in Boxing. UFC has them all in house. UFC also has brand recognition boxing promoters do not.
Boxings structure also opens up more for corruption and protection of fighters. Promoters are so afraid of losing their cash cow they avoid tough fights.
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Bob Arum for UFC president!!
when's the next election?
when's the next election?
90% of your posts are full of assumptions. We are going on the numbers we see, not the numbers you believe to be true based on heresay. And even if you have a legitimate point about back room bonuses, boxers also get backroom bonuses and a percentage of the PPV.
Secondly, in 2008-2009, the UFC was paying fighters about 10% of it's revenue. Which is even lower than Arum said. The numbers are relatively well cited on this forum so I'll leave you to look it up.
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The promotional landscape of both sports is different at the moment. There have been comparable organizations to the UFC in boxing's history, though. Look up the IBC of New York. From the year 1949 to 1955, they were able to promote 47 of 51 championship level fights in the United States. Much like the UFC, they controlled the promotion of the sport on its highest level. They had a promotional monopoly of championship boxing. This structure was ultimately deemed generally bad for the fighters, and the sport as a whole. The IBC of New York ended up being prosecuted and found guilty under anti-trust laws in 1955 (see United States vs IBC of New York). There is legislation in the sport of boxing (Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act) that prohibits promotional monopolies because a lack of promotional competition is generally seen as negative for fighters because of the amount of power it gives promoters over the fighters (among other reasons).
Now, the fact that in the public's mind, the UFC = MMA is a significant fact, and it robs the fighters of even more power in any negotiation. I think there is an argument to make that if the UFC's promotional monopoly on championship level MMA was broken, MMA as a whole would suffer greatly at this point in the sport's history. There is even a point to be made about the UFC needing to keep a significant amount of their revenues that they would otherwise pay fighters in order to reinvest and make sure that such a young sport survives and flourishes in America and beyond. However, it should be realized that a significant reason why top level fighters generally will see lesser % of the revenues than top level boxers is because of the promotional monopoly, and the lack of viable competition. They can get away with paying their fighters lesser amounts because there is nowhere else for them to go where they'll be paid a higher percentage. It is the kind of situation that Bob Arum would love to have. The only ways I see top level MMA fighters ever seeing comparable amounts of the revenue to top boxers is a fighter's union, or genuine promotional competition at the championship level of the sport. Genuine promotional competition fostered through legislation or trust busting would cause the sport of MMA more harm than good at the moment, I think. A fighter's union might be the best answer, but there are complications with that, as well.
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Boxers on PPV get a PPV cut.
Where to you get that 10% number. Nobody knows what % fighters make except the UFC but you sit here and spout it as fact.
I'm going with numbers I have seen. You accept any number reported as hard fact when they aren't. It's like Vinny said some site reported he made 8k to show when in fact he made 22k to show. UFC has produced paystubs in court of fighters getting millions when their disclosed pay is a hundred thousand.
Things we do not know for sure as fans.
What the UFCs annual revenue is
What % of that revenue goes to the fighters.
That the money reported by the commission does not disclose a fighters total compensation.
Fans bitch about something they know nothing about. They make outrageous claims about how little these guys make when we have evidence to the contrary.
You say "We as fans don't know!" about a lot of things to justify your points, but it mainly seems that you're not well read on the subject.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/UFCpay/ufc-fighters-say-low-pay-most-painful-hit-all
The below article from MMA Payout says that in 2008 the UFC paid fighters an average of 8.8% of revenue.
http://www.mmaconvert.com/2008/05/28/ufc-paying-out-estimated-average-of-88-of-revenues-to-fighters/
Also, Vinny's situation is different. The UFC does not report international salaries, so the people who keep up with numbers are forced to guess. Fans bitch because fighters bitch. Quarry is just one example, but there are so many others who unsatisfied with pay, treatment, etc. It's not wrong to want to see the athletes treated fairly.
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I was hoping to see the Bob Arum interview when he said all UFC fighters and fans were nazi skinheads.
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gsp gets a million ppv buys and only gets a guarenteed 400,000 now thats sad
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HAHAH yea thats bullshit.
Why dont you compare the top 25 earners in the UFC right now vs the Top 25 boxers right now and see what that comes out to.
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this old guy is quite dumb
boxing makes much more cause its a much more developed sport, and because of it, it had time to grow and pay fighters more. mma is gonna get there, bellator is growing, competition will make it better. and no, its not a monopoly
boxing makes much more cause its a much more developed sport, and because of it, it had time to grow and pay fighters more. mma is gonna get there, bellator is growing, competition will make it better. and no, its not a monopoly
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No, the real sad thing is you posting as if you know what the hell you are posting about.
The UFC is generating millions in revenue from each ppv event. So, you are saying they are still operating at a lose?
PPV revenue, gate revenue, TV contract, etc.
Does the MLS generate revenue like UEFA does?
As for those going on about the UFC's roster size as an excuse, the UFC doesn't pay those guys until they fight.
Pacquiao makes more than all of UFC fighters combined.
Nope.. UFC with its current pay out structure .. it could go another 20 yrs and still be sh*t pay. Its not just the years/history of the sport, most importantly it is the revenue share and pay structure in the particular business/industry.
Boxing had its first 7 figure fight purse DECADES ago, when a cool mil was fking HUGE money back then. Like Arum said, the revenue pay out to boxers are the lion share, in UFC, its the opposite.
