Bo Nickal hype is not real

[Fedora Millionankles]

The UFC needs to stop signing guys with less than 5 fights.

How can you even dare to throw that guy into the current WW division.

There's no argument that he can outwrestle most guys, but this isn't wrestling.
If guys like Khamzat or Shavkat lock in a choke the fight is over within seconds. They know how to grapple.
Bo had Pickett in that arm triangle for like a minute thirty or something. He squeezed him with so much force, that he was completely out of breath when they were separated.
That's bad fight iq and even worse understanding of grappling.

Anyone with half a year of jiu jitsu practice knows that an arm triangle doesn't need that much of a squeeze.
If you have to squeeze hard, that thing's not in. And if you squeeze even harder, you might be able to force a tap, but it's highly unefficient and absolutely unnecessary. Since you only lock that thing in when you have a major positional advantage, you have plenty of opportunities to adjust that thing without forfeiting your control.

A round 1 finish is a round 1 finish, so good for him, but in my humble opinion this was not very impressive at all.

This isn't supposed to be a 'this guy sucks!' thread. He clearly has potential, I just don't understand why he would have to fight in the UFC with his age and skill level. He's going to get into real trouble sooner than later.

A first round finish in his first UFC fight while being completely green to the sport “isn’t impressive?” Let’s see you do better or you can take your opinion, and head, and shove it firmly back up your ass.

 

[OldFashion]

A first round finish in his first UFC fight while being completely green to the sport “isn’t impressive?” Let’s see you do better or you can take your opinion, and head, and shove it firmly back up your ass.

Against a guy who is 5-2 and tailor made for him to beat? No, not really impressive. It's the caliber of fighters that he should be facing but usually fighters do that on the regional amateur circuit and not in the UFC

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Some people are very good at defending that choke. Most seasoned wrestlers/grapplers are and don't get lynched into a good choke immediately. We still see it happen, a la Charles / Islam. In any event it's a position of dominance, even if it isn't succeeding in the submission. It sucks to be in that choke. He didn't do anything wrong. He also wasn't "completely out of breath," I just pulled up the video. He was fine. IF he let go of the choke, he at worst had half guard, but more likely mount/back mount.



You have no idea what you're talking about and probably have no training at all or such minimal training you espouse bullshit like this. Usually, I take the amount of training someone says "half a year" and divide that by half and that's generally the amount of quality training they have when they say shit like this.

First of all, he had his choke arm in DEEP against Pickett. The battle is 90% complete at that point. Perfect position from top half guard to work his game. Preferably, he'd be able to push Pickett's shoulder throw a little more and free up his lower body, but, there's a small window for escaping when shoving that opponents top shoulder a little deeper, so no point in risking that when you're in an already dominant position. Let him move. To that point, he was squeezing the choke to make his opponent move.

you increase the squeeze to make your opponent do one of a few things (if you're not totally sank in): a.) turn and give up his back (optimal) b.) panic tap c.) turn his back flat to the mat to extend his shoulder to the mat, giving up mount with one arm trapped. These are the most obvious options.

Believe it or not, there are levels to BJJ and grappling, and what you learn inside of your first six months may not reflect the long game of a seasoned grappler at the height of his profession.

Please explain to us what you would have done differently in the cage other than get a 1st round submission from the 2nd most dominant position you can have in MMA. This is your cue to link a Danaher video on how to do an arm triangle to explain your technique for finishing it, since you only apply the best of the best.



Well, if TS had actually given some analysis instead of "anyone with 6 months experience would know" appeal to authority (knowing full well that 90%+ of you don't train at all) maybe he'd have a little ground to stand on. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about when it comes to grappling.



Damn you for tricking me into this resurrected thread.

Shit on me all you want, I don't even know why you would go into a month old thread to begin with. I hear even Craig Jones said that he thinks it may actually have been a better way to finish the arm triangle.
All I can say, and I thought that this was the main message, was that Bo adjusted his technique very gingerly and breathed as heavy as Pickett when the outcome was announced, after having him in an almost arm triangle for 90 seconds.
If he's chasing a finish, fine, but an arm triangle shouldn't take a lot of effort to finish. If he has such superiority on the ground, why not adjust in a way that consumes less energy?

 

[Fergelmince]

Didn't some college basketball team sign a young kid in jr. high once in a while? They see he has a ton of raw potential and talent and they want to get him locked in to a contract before competitors can get to him.

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

The UFC needs to stop signing guys with less than 5 fights.

How can you even dare to throw that guy into the current WW division.

There's no argument that he can outwrestle most guys, but this isn't wrestling.
If guys like Khamzat or Shavkat lock in a choke the fight is over within seconds. They know how to grapple.
Bo had Pickett in that arm triangle for like a minute thirty or something. He squeezed him with so much force, that he was completely out of breath when they were separated.
That's bad fight iq and even worse understanding of grappling.

Anyone with half a year of jiu jitsu practice knows that an arm triangle doesn't need that much of a squeeze.
If you have to squeeze hard, that thing's not in. And if you squeeze even harder, you might be able to force a tap, but it's highly unefficient and absolutely unnecessary. Since you only lock that thing in when you have a major positional advantage, you have plenty of opportunities to adjust that thing without forfeiting your control.

A round 1 finish is a round 1 finish, so good for him, but in my humble opinion this was not very impressive at all.

This isn't supposed to be a 'this guy sucks!' thread. He clearly has potential, I just don't understand why he would have to fight in the UFC with his age and skill level. He's going to get into real trouble sooner than later.

He has only been training MMA for one year just one year

Give the guy a break he’s still learning

 

[HuskySamoan]

Joe Pyfer > Bo
Joe's more fun, doesnt sniff his own socks, and has the goods to be a champ someday without nut-shotting people.

I wanted Joe vs Ikram. Pyfer seems surprisingly talented.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Successful Collegiate Wrestling accolades is the most hard fought elite skill an MMA fighter can have. To be elite, you have to do it from childhood & develop a certain type of muscle memory.

People who obtain the skill as a secondary study can't keep up.

Obviously wrestling isn't everything, but if you get a guy like Nickal who then ads obviously BJJ, & develops mid-high teir kickboxing, you got a top level contender.

The UFC saw this in Nickal, and "what they saw" is evidenced by the amount of silence you got from the division after Nickal'z opponent backed out. (They had to bring someone new to the UFC just to get him an opponent.)

 

[Poatan Power]

Shit on me all you want, I don't even know why you would go into a month old thread to begin with. I hear even Craig Jones said that he thinks it may actually have been a better way to finish the arm triangle.
All I can say, and I thought that this was the main message, was that Bo adjusted his technique very gingerly and breathed as heavy as Pickett when the outcome was announced, after having him in an almost arm triangle for 90 seconds.

1. I didn't know it was old until after I had replied.

2. Sigh. @ the underlined and bold. This is a lesson in conflating variables. Both of these fighters had just fought each other. Bo had just finished the fight. Not only did he hold an arm triangle for 90 seconds, but he just got finished celebrating and having an adrenaline dump from scoring the win. So it was not only the arm triangle that may have made him breathe heavy during the announcement, and, in fact, it may not have been the arm triangle at all. It could have been his heart rate and blood pressure increasing from dumping adrenaline after the win. Or a combination of both (likely).

If he's chasing a finish, fine, but an arm triangle shouldn't take a lot of effort to finish. If he has such superiority on the ground, why not adjust in a way that consumes less energy?

Is this before or after he should have used a 1 arm punch and just been like water in the cage?

You're missing the point here, entirely. One, there was nothing wrong with his arm triangle approach. He had an athletic, sweaty, 200+ trained professional fighter resisting him. Believe it or not, despite the purity and beauty of jiu jitsu, there is often resistance and application of strength in BJJ and grappling techniques. There are also variations to the arm triangle from different arts with different angles and focal points. Bo was on top, dominant position, had great arm placement, and was applying pressure/releasing pressure appropriately. He did not sit there and muscle through an arm triangle for 90 seconds (more power to him if he could), he readjusted his grip multiple times and reacted to the dynamic resistance his opponent gave him. It was also defended very well. His job there is to finish the submission, improve position or make his opponent miserable during that exchange and he did 2/3, arguably 3/3.

What you're saying is what you should be saying if he was grappling a grappling dummy or demonstrating a technique on a non-resisting opponent. I guarantee you Bo Nickal can choke you out in 4 seconds when you lay there and let him choke you and don't resist.

What I'm saying: you are critiquing someone who not only successfully used this position and submission, but did so eloquently, despite the fact that you think it should have been easier. This is not Aikido and these positions/submissions are dynamic, and he did it very well. Whether or not he could have adjusted his technique, set up, etc. to hit the choke a different way is irrelevant, because he executed the submission successfully and was never in danger of losing dominant position. The noose tightened and tightened until it did its job.

But, by all means, continue defending your position that has no objective or subjective ground to stand on.

 

[OldFashion]

He has only been training MMA for one year just one year

Give the guy a break he’s still learning

You learn in regional promotions against low level opponents not in the UFC. Now they have to sign other low level guys just for him to fight. It's forced and idiotic

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

You learn in regional promotions against low level opponents not in the UFC. Now they have to sign other low level guys just for him to fight. It's forced and idiotic

Huh, that doesn’t make sense Jamie Pickett Smit and Treaean Gore were both already signed to promotion and had gotten UFC wins before they got booked against Bo Nikal

The only reason they had to sign someone new was because of a late notice pull.


YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

 

[OldFashion]

Huh, that doesn’t make sense Jamie Pickett Smit and Treaean Gore were both already signed to promotion and had gotten UFC wins before they got booked against Bo Nikal

The only reason they had to sign someone new was because of a late notice pull.


YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

1. Treaean Gore is 1-2 in the UFC with 6 total fights
2. Jamie Pickett is 3-5 in the UFC

The reason they had to sign someone is not because of the late notice pullout but because they didn't have any fighters who are shitty enough available on short notice. Otherwise they would have found him a tomato can who's already signed which just proves my point

 

[richardjohnson]

Bo’s gonna run through this guy within a round and then that retard will appear who wants to nickname him the Dagestani killer

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

1. Treaean Gore is 1-2 in the UFC with 6 total fights
2. Jamie Pickett is 3-5 in the UFC

The reason they had to sign someone is not because of the late notice pullout but because they didn't have any fighters who are shitty enough available on short notice. Otherwise they would have found him a tomato can who's already signed which just proves my point

They had to sign 2 new people to fight JDM and Tatso Taira on the same card.

Do you think they didn't have any fighters who are shitty enough available on short notice to fight them???

You logic doesn’t make sense if doesn’t apply to them as well

 

[Guy LeDouche]

It feels like the UFC promotional machine happens to be greater than any actual fighter talent they seem to push lately. (O’Malley, Paddy, Bo, etc.)

 

[Brit_Brawler]

What's wrong with a little hype? A new prospect to get people excited ? Imo this is what the ufc needs more of.
Build the cunt up nice and slow too.
The ufc are too much in to quick fixes
This is a positive. I hope they don't throw him to the wolves either. Too many young fellas having their careers and brains scrambled from the too eager beavers in the zuffa head office.
Like I said they want it now and usually just push people too fast.
They killed tills career

 

[OldFashion]

They had to sign 2 new people to fight JDM and Tatso Taira on the same card.

Do you think they didn't have any fighters who are shitty enough available on short notice to fight them???

You logic doesn’t make sense if doesn’t apply to them as well

Let's say I grant you that point. Are you denying that the level of the opponents they fed to Bo Nickal is any better than what you would find in low level regional promotions?
That's what it comes down to in the end

 

[Pequeño Corey]

TL;DR

Bo looked like shit. Gave his opponent a blatant low blow and then spent nearly 2 minutes trying to choke his opponent out. He imwas gifted that win.

Source: rooting for a piece of Hum-Bo pie this weekend for 5-cent.

If Val wins by KO/TKO, that shiny nickel will net you $1. Seriously considering placing a buck or two on Val for fun.

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

Let's say I grant you that point. Are you denying that the level of the opponents they fed to Bo Nickal is any better than what you would find in low level regional promotions?
That's what it comes down to in the end

No but you are fooling yourself if you think the average UFC prelim fighter is that much more skilled than your average regional fighter

 

[BOTTICELLI]

He is used to competition at the highest level

He works very hard at what he does

Too soon to say much more but he could be top 10 if he rounds out his striking, which didn't look too bad so far, but a good American NCAA Wrestling prospect. I'd honestly like to see him against an old beat up Weidman, to see if his wrestling is that good.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Let him bang. You should find more important things to worry about.