Bo Nickal hype is not real

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

The UFC needs to stop signing guys with less than 5 fights.

How can you even dare to throw that guy into the current WW division.

There's no argument that he can outwrestle most guys, but this isn't wrestling.
If guys like Khamzat or Shavkat lock in a choke the fight is over within seconds. They know how to grapple.
Bo had Pickett in that arm triangle for like a minute thirty or something. He squeezed him with so much force, that he was completely out of breath when they were separated.
That's bad fight iq and even worse understanding of grappling.

Anyone with half a year of jiu jitsu practice knows that an arm triangle doesn't need that much of a squeeze.
If you have to squeeze hard, that thing's not in. And if you squeeze even harder, you might be able to force a tap, but it's highly unefficient and absolutely unnecessary. Since you only lock that thing in when you have a major positional advantage, you have plenty of opportunities to adjust that thing without forfeiting your control.

A round 1 finish is a round 1 finish, so good for him, but in my humble opinion this was not very impressive at all.

This isn't supposed to be a 'this guy sucks!' thread. He clearly has potential, I just don't understand why he would have to fight in the UFC with his age and skill level. He's going to get into real trouble sooner than later.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Let him go through his journey and lose. It will humble him.

 

[Noraaq]

His wrestling didnt look good. Shot was telegraphed from so far away that even a guy like Pickett was able to easily defend. Also looked like he was overexerting himself in the clinch

 

[TheNewOldGuy]

I agree that he's not elite BJJ material...yet. That kick he threw and ended up on his ass was very cringe also. I feel the UFC are going to fast track him and someone is going to slow him down real quick, similar to how Burns showed that Khamzat, although elite, isn't a world beater...yet.

 

[Fossor]

He looked dominant, although perhaps it was too early for him to call himself the future GOAT.

 

[milenss]

How about you get there in the cage and show us how to do it correctly? It's a fight. If his opponent didn't get out of it then it was successful. As simple as that!

 

[Kuggoz]

How about you get there in the cage and show us how to do it correctly? It's a fight. If his opponent didn't get out of it then it was successful. As simple as that!

This is one of the most retarded arguments ever. So basically any coach in any sport should be replaced with any journeyman who actually competed in the sport?

 

[funksoulbrother]

Give him barbarena next

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

We shall see in a few days...

 

[Blastbeat]

Joe Pyfer > Bo
Joe's more fun, doesnt sniff his own socks, and has the goods to be a champ someday without nut-shotting people.

 

[Carrotman23]

Nah he's really good and has a style that will excel in the MW division which lacks wrestlers and grapplers.

Hasn't faced the top competition yet sure but he's young and looks to be very good from what I see.

I'm on the train with the casuals on this one, Bo is at the very least gonna fight for the title eventually if not win it imo.

 

[JustBleed69]

He took Oliver Taza to a draw and pulled guard in the match, Bo Nickal knows how to grapple.

That being said, I do think the hype is very premature.

 

[TheMadThinker]

I see him having a similar journey to Macy Barber. Comes in with a lot of hype, will get humbled at some point, but will reevaluate skills and steadily improve working his way into top 15.

 

[Poatan Power]

Bo had Pickett in that arm triangle for like a minute thirty or something. He squeezed him with so much force, that he was completely out of breath when they were separated.
That's bad fight iq and even worse understanding of grappling.

Some people are very good at defending that choke. Most seasoned wrestlers/grapplers are and don't get lynched into a good choke immediately. We still see it happen, a la Charles / Islam. In any event it's a position of dominance, even if it isn't succeeding in the submission. It sucks to be in that choke. He didn't do anything wrong. He also wasn't "completely out of breath," I just pulled up the video. He was fine. IF he let go of the choke, he at worst had half guard, but more likely mount/back mount.

Anyone with half a year of jiu jitsu practice knows that an arm triangle doesn't need that much of a squeeze.
If you have to squeeze hard, that thing's not in. And if you squeeze even harder, you might be able to force a tap, but it's highly unefficient and absolutely unnecessary. Since you only lock that thing in when you have a major positional advantage, you have plenty of opportunities to adjust that thing without forfeiting your control.

You have no idea what you're talking about and probably have no training at all or such minimal training you espouse bullshit like this. Usually, I take the amount of training someone says "half a year" and divide that by half and that's generally the amount of quality training they have when they say shit like this.

First of all, he had his choke arm in DEEP against Pickett. The battle is 90% complete at that point. Perfect position from top half guard to work his game. Preferably, he'd be able to push Pickett's shoulder throw a little more and free up his lower body, but, there's a small window for escaping when shoving that opponents top shoulder a little deeper, so no point in risking that when you're in an already dominant position. Let him move. To that point, he was squeezing the choke to make his opponent move.

you increase the squeeze to make your opponent do one of a few things (if you're not totally sank in): a.) turn and give up his back (optimal) b.) panic tap c.) turn his back flat to the mat to extend his shoulder to the mat, giving up mount with one arm trapped. These are the most obvious options.

Believe it or not, there are levels to BJJ and grappling, and what you learn inside of your first six months may not reflect the long game of a seasoned grappler at the height of his profession.

Please explain to us what you would have done differently in the cage other than get a 1st round submission from the 2nd most dominant position you can have in MMA. This is your cue to link a Danaher video on how to do an arm triangle to explain your technique for finishing it, since you only apply the best of the best.

This is one of the most retarded arguments ever. So basically any coach in any sport should be replaced with any journeyman who actually competed in the sport?

Well, if TS had actually given some analysis instead of "anyone with 6 months experience would know" appeal to authority (knowing full well that 90%+ of you don't train at all) maybe he'd have a little ground to stand on. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about when it comes to grappling.

We shall see in a few days...

Damn you for tricking me into this resurrected thread.

 

[GordonMMARamsey]

This is one of the most retarded arguments ever. So basically any coach in any sport should be replaced with any journeyman who actually competed in the sport?

The Patriots win 11 super bowls with Tom Brady if they had someone like Ryan Leaf coaching instead of Bill Belichick.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

He looked dominant, although perhaps it was too early for him to call himself the future GOAT.

"PERHAPS" it's too early to call him a future GOAT ... when he literally hasn't done shit yet? <45><Lmaoo>

 

[markys00]

The hype is real. Whether he's as good as the hype is a different story

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

I saw fear in Nickal, particularly fear of striking. All he's confident with is wrestling. He doesn't know if his chin is for real. He doesn't know if his striking is adequate.

But he was on a huge stage at this juncture of his career.

It'll be interesting to see his reaction when someone stuffs his D1 wrassling.

 

[FreedomCricket]

Some people are very good at defending that choke. Most seasoned wrestlers/grapplers are and don't get lynched into a good choke immediately. We still see it happen, a la Charles / Islam. In any event it's a position of dominance, even if it isn't succeeding in the submission. It sucks to be in that choke. He didn't do anything wrong. He also wasn't "completely out of breath," I just pulled up the video. He was fine. IF he let go of the choke, he at worst had half guard, but more likely mount/back mount.



You have no idea what you're talking about and probably have no training at all or such minimal training you espouse bullshit like this. Usually, I take the amount of training someone says "half a year" and divide that by half and that's generally the amount of quality training they have when they say shit like this.

First of all, he had his choke arm in DEEP against Pickett. The battle is 90% complete at that point. Perfect position from top half guard to work his game. Preferably, he'd be able to push Pickett's shoulder throw a little more and free up his lower body, but, there's a small window for escaping when shoving that opponents top shoulder a little deeper, so no point in risking that when you're in an already dominant position. Let him move. To that point, he was squeezing the choke to make his opponent move.

you increase the squeeze to make your opponent do one of a few things (if you're not totally sank in): a.) turn and give up his back (optimal) b.) panic tap c.) turn his back flat to the mat to extend his shoulder to the mat, giving up mount with one arm trapped. These are the most obvious options.

Believe it or not, there are levels to BJJ and grappling, and what you learn inside of your first six months may not reflect the long game of a seasoned grappler at the height of his profession.

Please explain to us what you would have done differently in the cage other than get a 1st round submission from the 2nd most dominant position you can have in MMA. This is your cue to link a Danaher video on how to do an arm triangle to explain your technique for finishing it, since you only apply the best of the best.



Well, if TS had actually given some analysis instead of "anyone with 6 months experience would know" appeal to authority (knowing full well that 90%+ of you don't train at all) maybe he'd have a little ground to stand on. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about when it comes to grappling.



Damn you for tricking me into this resurrected thread.

TL;DR

Bo looked like shit. Gave his opponent a blatant low blow and then spent nearly 2 minutes trying to choke his opponent out. He imwas gifted that win.

Source: rooting for a piece of Hum-Bo pie this weekend for 5-cent.

 

[Fossor]

"PERHAPS" it's too early to call him a future GOAT ... when he literally hasn't done shit yet? <45><Lmaoo>

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