Crime BLM activist shoots at Democratic mayor candidate

[DrDune]

We'll see.

Do you agree with his assessment? Do you think we have all the information we need, case closed?

We'll see, what?

Brown was a prominent BLM leader in Loisville - FACT
BLM recognized Brown as a prominent leader, and allowed him to speak on their behalf to media members and politicians - FACT
BLM has not condemned Brown after being arrested - FACT
BLM has literally posted the bail money for Brown after being arrested - FACT

Your claim:
"Conservatives see black crime and assume BLM, the way you assume all violence and crime in the civil unrest was BLM. It was not." What other possible connections could you possibly want to the organization, not to mention their handling of Brown after committing the crime, to pair them together?

And no, I have no problem letting the case play out in Court. That being said, you seem to be the only one who is arguing the connection between Brown and BLM. Brown being found innocent or guilty of the actual crime has no bearing on the organizations very clear messaging on where they stand and who they side with in this instance.

 

[SanchoMF]

it is actually way more damning if they are not mentally ill. But even with the mental health diagnosis, being exposed to propaganda through BLM and black nationalist organizations, he clearly was radicalized.

I am happy to admit people on the far right can be radicalized in the same way if they go down the wrong rabbit hole, for lack of better phrasing.

But one of these rabbit holes is condoned by the entire democratic party with huge public crowd funding efforts. The other is, in fact a fringe whatever, not even a movement with any traction, and likely mentally ill.

I think both COVID and the BLM riots showed a lot of moderate people/indepndents what is really at stake in this left vs right culture war. I also say this is not left for right at all, but simply populism manifest. And that is why in the last year you have a shift where republicans are at an all time higher in support, and groups like BLM which had 60% support just 2 years ago have lost their support among these moderates and indepdents and are left with just the far-left, #blueanon Libtards

these people even bring up anti-CRT... just a few months ago these same people would say CRT isnt real. Well the libtards who control San Francisco schools are voted out now in a land slide. Anyone who thinks these narratives are correct is properly getting kicked to the curb.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/opinions/san-francisco-school-board-recall-hemmer/index.html

Yeah, I'd say that a 'sane' person that goes out and tries to kill someone due to political motive is far worse than a nut job doing the same.
I don't think any kind of radicalisation depends on any political ideology specifically (or religion) but it must be some hardcore shit, so to speak : big, brash and 'total' enough to change a person's whole perception of the world and the people around them.
These people are spoon fed the dogma and before you know it, the social circle consists only of others in the same situation and the same views.
It doesn't do these type of people any favours that corporate idiots, the media and some out-of-touch politicians might start applauding this ridiculous behaviour either : it's a total narcissistic, circle-jerk, suggestion.

So I'm saying that most likely Mr. Brown is mentally ill and I'm not surprised :
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...ersonality-traits-mental-illness-and-ideology
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/o...iberal-women-under-30-mental-health-condition

These people making all these wild claims and and offering racialist, discriminatory, utopian solutions to 'right all the wrongs' have high odds of being mentally unstable.
They shouldn't be listened at all for their own well-being.

 

[GoldenWolf87]

No Major outcry by major news outlets over this.

 

[Metusalemi]

 

[cottagecheesefan]

hopefully this is not moved to the meme thread, as seems to be the case in the WR now, as it is very relevent to the various narratives being discussed here.

 

[Slick_36]

it is actually way more damning if they are not mentally ill. But even with the mental health diagnosis, being exposed to propaganda through BLM and black nationalist organizations, he clearly was radicalized.

I am happy to admit people on the far right can be radicalized in the same way if they go down the wrong rabbit hole, for lack of better phrasing.

But one of these rabbit holes is condoned by the entire democratic party with huge public crowd funding efforts. The other is, in fact a fringe whatever, not even a movement with any traction, and likely mentally ill.

I think both COVID and the BLM riots showed a lot of moderate people/indepndents what is really at stake in this left vs right culture war. I also say this is not left for right at all, but simply populism manifest. And that is why in the last year you have a shift where republicans are at an all time higher in support, and groups like BLM which had 60% support just 2 years ago have lost their support among these moderates and indepdents and are left with just the far-left, #blueanon Libtards

these people even bring up anti-CRT... just a few months ago these same people would say CRT isnt real. Well the libtards who control San Francisco schools are voted out now in a land slide. Anyone who thinks these narratives are correct is properly getting kicked to the curb.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/opinions/san-francisco-school-board-recall-hemmer/index.html

Yeah, I'd say that a 'sane' person that goes out and tries to kill someone due to political motive is far worse than a nut job doing the same.
I don't think any kind of radicalisation depends on any political ideology specifically (or religion) but it must be some hardcore shit, so to speak : big, brash and 'total' enough to change a person's whole perception of the world and the people around them.
These people are spoon fed the dogma and before you know it, the social circle consists only of others in the same situation and the same views.
It doesn't do these type of people any favours that corporate idiots, the media and some out-of-touch politicians might start applauding this ridiculous behaviour either : it's a total narcissistic, circle-jerk, suggestion.

So I'm saying that most likely Mr. Brown is mentally ill and I'm not surprised :
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...ersonality-traits-mental-illness-and-ideology
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/o...iberal-women-under-30-mental-health-condition

These people making all these wild claims and and offering racialist, discriminatory, utopian solutions to 'right all the wrongs' have high odds of being mentally unstable.
They shouldn't be listened at all for their own well-being.

Context and details matter when discussing this. This guy was a successful student with a great reputation in his community, it was known he struggled with mental illness but 1 out of 5 Americans have been diagnosed with a mental illness. There doesn't seem to be an indication that he was dangerous or concerningly unstable.

Also important to note that this doesn't seem to be politically motivated, at least by the politics of BLM. Greenberg platformed and supported the policies Brown was an activist for. There are no statements made that show Brown was angry at Greenberg for a lack of radical action. Radicalization doesn't seem to be the issue here and it's going to need to some evidence to support that claim.

 

[Slick_36]

We'll see, what?

Brown was a prominent BLM leader in Loisville - FACT
BLM recognized Brown as a prominent leader, and allowed him to speak on their behalf to media members and politicians - FACT
BLM has not condemned Brown after being arrested - FACT
BLM has literally posted the bail money for Brown after being arrested - FACT

Your claim:
"Conservatives see black crime and assume BLM, the way you assume all violence and crime in the civil unrest was BLM. It was not." What other possible connections could you possibly want to the organization, not to mention their handling of Brown after committing the crime, to pair them together?

And no, I have no problem letting the case play out in Court. That being said, you seem to be the only one who is arguing the connection between Brown and BLM. Brown being found innocent or guilty of the actual crime has no bearing on the organizations very clear messaging on where they stand and who they side with in this instance.

He's innocent until proven guilty. Brown pled not guilty due to a mental breakdown that was preceded by a spiral that lasted weeks. This claim can be verified with an investigation. It also means that Brown isn't just free to roam around as he pleases, he's going to be under strict surveillance until he has a court hearing. This kind of not-guilty plea simply removes the stigma of being convicted, but it's almost assuring you lose your freedom one way or the other.

A guilty verdict has a set end date, being found mentally unfit is an indefinite sentence.

 

[DrDune]

He's innocent until proven guilty. Brown pled not guilty due to a mental breakdown that was preceded by a spiral that lasted weeks. This claim can be verified with an investigation. It also means that Brown isn't just free to roam around as he pleases, he's going to be under strict surveillance until he has a court hearing. This kind of not-guilty plea simply removes the stigma of being convicted, but it's almost assuring you lose your freedom one way or the other.

A guilty verdict has a set end date, being found mentally unfit is an indefinite sentence.

Which is exactly why I said I have no problem seeing the CASE play out in Court.

However, Brown’s case is not mutually exclusive to his ties with BLM, which was the entire point.

 

[SanchoMF]

Context and details matter when discussing this. This guy was a successful student with a great reputation in his community, it was known he struggled with mental illness but 1 out of 5 Americans have been diagnosed with a mental illness. There doesn't seem to be an indication that he was dangerous or concerningly unstable.

Also important to note that this doesn't seem to be politically motivated, at least by the politics of BLM. Greenberg platformed and supported the policies Brown was an activist for. There are no statements made that show Brown was angry at Greenberg for a lack of radical action. Radicalization doesn't seem to be the issue here and it's going to need to some evidence to support that claim.

Being a brilliant student doesn't mean that he isn't a tool.
And clearly he is dangerous, I mean he tried to shoot a guy. And apparently there was an episode where he disappeared for two weeks only to be found on a park bench in New York, which was allegedly linked to his mental breakdown. People around him were specifically worried about his mental health.

You and I exchanged about this before, regarding his motives and I remain set on him being :
1. Suffering from mental health issues
2. Politically active

Same guy was advocating for firearm bans and only to go out and shoot at someone who you say was supporting the same political movement? So yeah he was off his fucking rocker.

A gang banger shoots at someone because he's stupid as fuck and that's the retarded 'code' goes by. A homeowner might shoot an attacking intruder to protect his own life and yeah hunting accidents happen sometimes.
Why do you think he shot at Greenberg? What is seems like the most plausible explanation to you, that a guy goes to someone's office to shoot them? Humour me a bit.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Being a brilliant student doesn't mean that he isn't a tool.
And clearly is was dangerous, I mean he tried to shoot a guy. And apparently there was an episode where he disappeared for two weeks only to be found on a park bench in New York, which was allegedly linked to his mental breakdown. People around him were specifically worried about his mental health.

You and I exchanged about this before, regarding his motives and I remain set on him being :
1. Suffering from mental health issues
2. Politically active

Same guy was advocating for firearm bans and only to go out and shoot at someone who you say was supporting the same political movement? So yeah he was off his fucking rocker.

A gang banger shoots at someone because he's stupid as fuck and that's the retarded 'code' goes by. A homeowner might shoot an attacking intruder to protect his own life and yeah hunting accidents happen sometimes.
Why do you think he shot at Greenberg? What is seems like the most plausible explanation to you, that a guy goes to someone's office to shoot them? Humour me a bit.

You’re wasting your energy with that guy. Legit not bright and lacking in character. At best he’s just a shitty troll.

 

[uppercutbus]

Another BLM member, Convicted on 20 Counts of Possessing Child Porn
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/0...victed-on-20-counts-of-possessing-child-porn/

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Another BLM member, Convicted on 20 Counts of Possessing Child Porn
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/0...victed-on-20-counts-of-possessing-child-porn/

Using the transitive property of equality, anyone who is a BLM organizer is either a (as in this link, now convicted), a political assassin (Brown in this thread), an insurgent (sullivan who was on CNN and an instigator during 1/6). Or a felon with a length rap sheet who likely commits voter fraud.

http://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/02...s-of-felony-arrests-appears-in-kenosha-court/

https://www.ebony.com/news/memphis-...enced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud/

or other fraud

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndoh/p...-matter-greater-atlanta-facebook-page-defraud

https://nypost.com/2021/06/19/nonprofit-tied-to-patrisse-cullors-failed-to-disclose-donations/


Talk about some real jerks!

 

[Scerpi]

You’re wasting your energy with that guy. Legit not bright and lacking in character. At best he’s just a shitty troll.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Context and details matter when discussing this. This guy was a successful student with a great reputation in his community, it was known he struggled with mental illness but 1 out of 5 Americans have been diagnosed with a mental illness. There doesn't seem to be an indication that he was dangerous or concerningly unstable.

This is factually not true. 1 in 5 people dont go missing for 11 days after an altercation with lifeguards, where cops were called, within 6-7 months is a pretty clear indication.



especially when cops are telling his family they may need to contact the coroners office.



If anything, this is the exact person you would want on a watchlist, whether it be a terrorist one, or simply a mental health one. Clearly, half a year later now, he should have been being watched, and now his life is going to be screwed. Facts.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

This is factually not true. 1 in 5 people dont go missing for 11 days after an altercation with lifeguards, where cops were called, within 6-7 months is a pretty clear indication.



especially when cops are telling his family they may need to contact the coroners office.



If anything, this is the exact person you would want on a watchlist, whether it be a terrorist one, or simply a mental health one. Clearly, half a year later now, he should have been being watched, and now his life is going to be screwed. Facts.

and given that during this period of being unstable, etc, he was exposing himself to increasingly racial ideology, it 100% supports people with mental health issues like him need to be on a watch list, even if just behavioral health. But especially identifying with BLM and being an organizer, with so many of their organizers being felons, violent, s, frauders, etc, it makes perfect sense to make it a terror watch list.

 

[Loiosh]

We'll see, what?

Brown was a prominent BLM leader in Loisville - FACT
BLM recognized Brown as a prominent leader, and allowed him to speak on their behalf to media members and politicians - FACT
BLM has not condemned Brown after being arrested - FACT
BLM has literally posted the bail money for Brown after being arrested - FACT

Your claim:
"Conservatives see black crime and assume BLM, the way you assume all violence and crime in the civil unrest was BLM. It was not." What other possible connections could you possibly want to the organization, not to mention their handling of Brown after committing the crime, to pair them together?

And no, I have no problem letting the case play out in Court. That being said, you seem to be the only one who is arguing the connection between Brown and BLM. Brown being found innocent or guilty of the actual crime has no bearing on the organizations very clear messaging on where they stand and who they side with in this instance.

No, he wasn't. He was a black civil rights activist, it's conservative media making sure he's painted as BLM.

He was a prominent leader and yes, BLM may have allowed him to speak for them, that doesn't make him a part of the organization.

Right now he's waiting for trial. You make it sound like he's a Klan member and has to be denounced. Are there people out there who think this shooting was righteous? Do you think I think that? To the average person this is an inexcusable crime, and I happen to agree. I think you're a part of a demographic that really needs to use this to demonize BLM.

The politics of this thing are clearly more important to you than they are to me, I'm just reacting to how hard conservative media is leaning into blaming BLM, as usual.

BLM has posted their reasons for assisting with bail. They seem reasonable on their face, but honestly, I don't think the reasons are strong enough considering the nature of his crime. Mental health issues don't really seem like a compelling reason to get someone back on the street.

The bigger issue here (for me) is the lack of those services in the jail system. That and the system that allowed someone with his potential issues out on the street.

 

[AndroidRage]

you're an uncultured moron
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/rare-color-photo-adolf-hitler-shows-true-eye-color-date-unknown/

That look blue to you?

 

[Loiosh]

I suppose so : does it change something for you if he's mentally ill or not, assuming there's a political motive?

Qualified yes.

See my previous post.

 

[AndroidRage]

Context and details matter when discussing this. This guy was a successful student with a great reputation in his community, it was known he struggled with mental illness but 1 out of 5 Americans have been diagnosed with a mental illness. There doesn't seem to be an indication that he was dangerous or concerningly unstable.

Also important to note that this doesn't seem to be politically motivated, at least by the politics of BLM. Greenberg platformed and supported the policies Brown was an activist for. There are no statements made that show Brown was angry at Greenberg for a lack of radical action. Radicalization doesn't seem to be the issue here and it's going to need to some evidence to support that claim.

It was possibly racially motivated. Brown got mixed up in a Black Israelite like black nationalist group. It is on his social media. These groups tend to hate Jewish people the same way White Nationalist groups do. And Greenburg is Jewish. Should be considered a hate crime if that is the case.

 

[SanchoMF]

Qualified yes.

See my previous post.

So let's say there's a political motive and the guy is nuts.
I hope there aren't many people out there considering his act righteous but there are some serious double-standards at play here, in terms of how this dude is being labelled, considering his political affiliations.
Also, by bailing him out, the BLM shows exactly how dim-witted identity politics are.
How any sane person could have and can support these clowns is beyond me.

What is obvious is that there wouldn't be one politician on the left side of the isle, doing all kinds of grandstanding, kneeling and what have you, had the gunner been a caucasian male with any kind of remotely right wing political history. I'll say that because the Kenosha Kid was apparently the reincarnation of Hitler and that Smirking Teenager who dared to smile got dragged through mud in the media for far less.
I'm not gonna expand on that more, because it's lame.

I mean fuck it : if he was crazy and on some delusional politically driven psychotic episode, out to get Greenberg then let's call spade a spade.
Lone nutcases can do explicit shit like Utoya or not-so-nuts like Christchurch without being part of anything but still representing A LOT of things.
Being mentally ill is not a free pass and in countries with much better healthcare than in the US, shit still happens on a massive scale.
And if not political, I'm certainly interested to know what the fucks makes a guy do that really, counting out robbery or self-protection. Revenge?

I don't know but he seems dumb as fuck.