Crime Black Portland man acquitted of stabbing white man because jury learned that after the stabbing, the victim used the n word.

[Fedor>Cain]

There are far too many sources that could be used-far too many that I chose one that was echoed by multiple sites. No, carrying a knife is not illegal but a man with a history of knife attacks and convictions beyond a reasonable doubt pulling out a knife and approaching a man from behind because “he wanted to trade the knife for cigarettes” and “only a racist would think a black man approaching with a knife is a threat”
Jesus Christ, all the unprovoked attacks on people in public the last few years and yall have the gall to call someone a racist or unjustified for reacting and defending yourself from being stabbed or possibly being stabbed? Again, who trades a knife for cigarettes and would think it normal to approach someone with knife out, sneaking up on someone on a bench with the intent to trade the knife for a few smokes?

Wow, you guys will excuse just about any violent behavior if the attacker is a minority.

The racist man has no idea that the knife dude has a history of stabbing anybody. What reason did he have to jump up and attack him?

I look at your post and I see somebody who is willing to put somebody away for 5+ years based on your feelings and not actual proof.

You have to prove he committed the crime of attempted murder beyond a reasonable doubt. You haven't done that ITT at all.

The jury, who sat in the court room and heard ALL of the evidence decided that there was reasonable doubt of whether or not he was guilty of the crime. What do you know that they don't?

And he very well could have committed attempted murder, but the prosecution has to prove that.

It's funny that you think I wouldn't take the same position if the dude stabbing was white. Id say it's safe to say that OJ killed his wife lol and got off with an actual murder. He's black.

 

[nhbbear]

if this was a white guy walking up with a gun and the black guy jumped up and hit the dude, Nhbbear would no doubt be claiming the guy who hit the dude deserved what he got.

2nd amendment shall not be infringed, self defense, etc lol

Yeah, ok-sure. You guys dilute everything down to skin color and it’s both sad and pathetic. That’s all that matters to liberals and racists-you’re one in the same. It’s ok to discriminate against someone based on skin color when it benefits someone of color via affirmative actions. You have to yield your opinion and allow people of color to speak up first-I have been to a conference that stated exactly that.

No normal person approaches someone from behind with a knife at the ready to trade the knife, especially when the person with the knife has a history of attacking people with a knife.

There was a case two weeks ago where a man was attacked while he had a gun and was being struck while he was on the ground and he shot the guy in self defense. The other guy started the argument and aggressively got in the other guys face prompting pepper spray to be introduced and then the shooter turned and ran with the other guy in pursuit who then knocked down the shooter and began striking him. Let’s say we decide the pepper spray was drawing first blood and not justifiable, you still can’t chase someone down from behind and claim it was self defense or justified-that’s not self defense it’s revenge at that point. Once someone is running away, there is no more threat that exists that justifies beating a man while he is on the ground. Both were white and it is a completely different scenario-as is every single incident. It’s not one size fits all. But since one was an anti abortion activist and the other was pro abortion, it’s ok to do so. Just like all you see is color here and it’s ok to stab someone so long as you’re black.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Yeah, ok-sure. You guys dilute everything down to skin color and it’s both sad and pathetic. That’s all that matters to liberals and racists-you’re one in the same. It’s ok to discriminate against someone based on skin color when it benefits someone of color via affirmative actions. You have to yield your opinion and allow people of color to speak up first-I have been to a conference that stated exactly that.

No normal person approaches someone from behind with a knife at the ready to trade the knife, especially when the person with the knife has a history of attacking people with a knife.

So if this was some dude who was open carrying, you'd say that no normal person who is open carrying could walk up behind somebody?

You could just as easily make the same argument about the racist guy who got stabbed.

Your argument is just way too easy to poke holes with. That's likely why he got acquitted.

 

[nhbbear]

The racist man has no idea that the knife dude has a history of stabbing anybody. What reason did he have to jump up and attack him?

I look at your post and I see somebody who is willing to put somebody away for 5+ years based on your feelings and not actual proof.

You have to prove he committed the crime of attempted murder beyond a reasonable doubt. You haven't done that ITT at all.

The jury, who sat in the court room and heard ALL of the evidence decided that there was reasonable doubt of whether or not he was guilty of the crime. What do you know that they don't?

And he very well could have committed attempted murder, but the prosecution has to prove that.

It's funny that you think I wouldn't take the same position if the dude stabbing was white. Id say it's safe to say that OJ killed his wife lol and got off with an actual murder. He's black.

If someone is approaching me from behind with a knife in their hand, I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt to simply see what they intend to do. And then there’s the fact that the guy that was approached from behind by a knife wielding suspect turns and runs away with the stabbed in pursuit tells me it is not self defense.

As for the jury, how do you not take the history of the attacker into account in good conscience allowing a violent man to remain on the streets because the man that was stabbed dared to use a racist word against the man that stabbed him? The whole basis of the defense was to use the racist word to enrage the jury and give them the excuse to punish someone for saying that word-again after he was stabbed. The defense even claims that “only a racist would see a black man approaching with a knife and assume they meant harm.” It’s from the actual court case that the defense attorney actually stated in court to the jury. If they don’t play that audio of him saying that word, I guarantee it’s a conviction.

What do I know that the jury does not? Obviously, I am not from probably the most liberal big city in the country that has a history of ignoring violence and criminality if it comes from a protected class or someone that shares their ideals. I know body language and that you don’t carry a knife like that to trade or offer it to the other person while you sneak up from behind. I don’t have those color blinders on or maybe the opposite of that to think someone a racist because they dare to suspect someone approaching them with a knife at the ready intends harm because you have to give minorities the benefit of the doubt even if your life is at stake to avoid hurting their feelings based upon the horrible stuff that happened in the country’s past. We have seen far too many videos and k have knowledge of incidents where there are unprovoked attacks on people by suspects with very violent histories-in this case, a man convicted of stabbing another person within the last few years.

I’ll be damned before I let someone sneak up on me with a knife in their hand without attempting to evade attack or defend myself. A shove does not equal a deadly force situation especially when the victim is running away. Again, you guys will excuse anything

 

[Fedor>Cain]

If someone is approaching me from behind with a knife in their hand, I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt to simply see what they intend to do. And then there’s the fact that the guy that was approached from behind by a knife wielding suspect turns and runs away with the stabbed in pursuit tells me it is not self defense.

You keep leaving out that the stabee attacked the man with the knife first.

WHat happens if you attack somebody who is open carrying a gun and walks up behind you? Do you give them the benefit of the doubt?

Or is it different because reasons?

Also, the man who attacked is on camera yelling racist shit lol. The defense said the man attacked the defendant while yelling racist shit. The is no evidence to refute this testimony.

He attacked the man who stabbed him first.

Where is the proof required to put away a man for 5 years? I'm not seeing. Maybe it happened in court, but you have no evidence of this happening beyond a reasonable doubt other than your feelings. All we can go by is your articles unless you have evidence we don't have.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

The other thing that crossed my mind is the stabbed person has a child-molestation history. Very possible he lives very much on edge that people know him want revenge and to off him.

I don't know if that makes a difference from a legal perspective regarding his frame of mind if he was approached from behind by someone carrying a knife.

 

[Sinister]

There are far too many sources that could be used-far too many that I chose one that was echoed by multiple sites. No, carrying a knife is not illegal but a man with a history of knife attacks and convictions beyond a reasonable doubt pulling out a knife and approaching a man from behind because “he wanted to trade the knife for cigarettes” and “only a racist would think a black man approaching with a knife is a threat”
Jesus Christ, all the unprovoked attacks on people in public the last few years and yall have the gall to call someone a racist or unjustified for reacting and defending yourself from being stabbed or possibly being stabbed? Again, who trades a knife for cigarettes and would think it normal to approach someone with knife out, sneaking up on someone on a bench with the intent to trade the knife for a few smokes?

Wow, you guys will excuse just about any violent behavior if the attacker is a minority.

Dude the racist guy is racist because he's on camera being a racist. Seriously there's times I really like you despite giving you sh*t and I have NO doubtd you've worked with black Cops who mean the World to you, you just picked a horrible argument here. They got their day in Court, the black man won the case. At some point tantruming about it just comes off entirely the wrong way.

 

[Sinister]

The other thing that crossed my mind is the stabbed person has a child-molestation history. Very possible he lives very much on edge that people know him want revenge and to off him.

I don't know if that makes a difference from a legal perspective regarding his frame of mind if he was approached from behind by someone carrying a knife.

They're both homeless. Violence among and against homeless people is incredibly high even if people dont know theyr criminal Histories. Average citizens think of homeless people as threats because of social heirarchy, however statistics bear out that we are far greater of a threat to them than they are to us.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Average citizens think of homeless people as threats because of social heirarchy, however statistics bear out that we are far greater of a threat to them than they are to us.

how does that work? isn't the default just staying away from the homeless?
if the argument is that they're schizos and junkies most of them and they can't read social cues when no to follow you or come too close and get clocked, that's hardly like saying homeless are more in danger from the rest, because it's their actions that cause it. it's not like there's hobo hunting groups roaming at night looking for them.

 

[nhbbear]

You keep leaving out that the stabee attacked the man with the knife first.

WHat happens if you attack somebody who is open carrying a gun and walks up behind you? Do you give them the benefit of the doubt?

Or is it different because reasons?

Also, the man who attacked is on camera yelling racist shit lol. The defense said the man attacked the defendant while yelling racist shit. The is no evidence to refute this testimony.

He attacked the man who stabbed him first.

Where is the proof required to put away a man for 5 years? I'm not seeing. Maybe it happened in court, but you have no evidence of this happening beyond a reasonable doubt other than your feelings. All we can go by is your articles unless you have evidence we don't have.

Jackass, the man with the knife came up behind the guy that he stabbed. I would feel that a man walking up behind me with a gun in his hand would be a threat as well and if I had a gun or knife in my hand and walked up behind someone sitting on a bench, I would fully expect them to fear for their life and I would never ever do something like that unless I had bad intentions. Unarmed, I wouldn’t walk up behind someone on a bench if I had intentions of interacting with them in a non violent manner-I would be courteous and walk around to their front and keep some space. Taken with his stabby history, I believe he had every intention of to stab him. You don’t have to wait for someone to stab you before you can shove them away. A shove does not equal deadly force that makes you justified in stabbing them.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Jackass, the man with the knife came up behind the guy that he stabbed. I would feel that a man walking up behind me with a gun in his hand would be a threat as well and if I had a gun or knife in my hand and walked up behind someone sitting on a bench, I would fully expect them to fear for their life and I would never ever do something like that unless I had bad intentions. Unarmed, I wouldn’t walk up behind someone on a bench if I had intentions of interacting with them in a non violent manner-I would be courteous and walk around to their front and keep some space. Taken with his stabby history, I believe he had every intention of to stab him. You don’t have to wait for someone to stab you before you can shove them away. A shove does not equal deadly force that makes you justified in stabbing them.

Walking up behind somebody isn't a crime, jackass.

According your logic, then all open carry should be illegal. It's impossible for people open carrying to not walk up behind people lol. You ever been in a gas station? By your logic, I should just turn around and fight somebody who is open carrying that walked up behind me in line just because they have a gun.

Also, wouldn't that argue stretch to all guns as well? Should we just attack people that have fire arms? Can you just shoot somebody because they have a gun around you?

I thought you didn't want rights infringed upon?

 

[nhbbear]

Dude the racist guy is racist because he's on camera being a racist. Seriously there's times I really like you despite giving you sh*t and I have NO doubtd you've worked with black Cops who mean the World to you, you just picked a horrible argument here. They got their day in Court, the black man won the case. At some point tantruming about it just comes off entirely the wrong way.

While I despise anyone that uses that word and I despise this man infinitely more for raping a child which in my opinion should have had two consequences-either he is not alive to walk the streets or he is behind bars for life and thus, not walking the streets. But the fact of the matter is that I don’t care that he called a man that stabbed him the n word or even if he said it before because the man was walking up with a knife in his hand and that is a deadly threat all day in my book. You simply don’t do that if you have no bad intentions. White people use that word to cause emotional pain, to trigger another, or get an anger reaction-but it has bad intent-but in my opinion, it is still just a word and not a threat in and of itself. So if someone stabs me and I want to lash out at them in any way I can, given that the cops would not let him attack the other and he would likely be unable to having just been stabbed-that leaves a verbal jab, which does not seem unreasonable to me given the circumstances. But the bottom line for me is that saying that word to a man after being stabbed whether on camera or not should not have a jury negate the attempted murder or stabbing of a person. There’s simply no equivalence there.

 

[nhbbear]

Walking up behind somebody isn't a crime, jackass.

According your logic, then all open carry should be illegal. It's impossible for people open carrying to not walk up behind people lol. You ever been in a gas station? By your logic, I should just turn around and fight somebody who is open carrying that walked up behind me in line just because they have a gun.

Also, wouldn't that argue stretch to all guns as well? Should we just attack people that have fire arms? Can you just shoot somebody because they have a gun around you?

I thought you didn't want rights infringed upon?

Having a gun in a holster is not the same as walking up behind someone with a knife in your hand. It simply isn’t the same. Same as if I walked up with the gun in my hand and approached you while you sit on a bench with your back turned. I don’t love open carrying a rifle but I respect that it is within the second amendment but I can see how it would be threatening to some people. But standing in line in a gas station with a gun at your hip or even in a sling around your neck is NOT THE SAME as purposely walking up to someone while their back is turned with the weapon in your hand. And it always falls back on stabby mcstaberson’s history. No, Howard could not have known that history upon turning to see a man approaching him with a knife in hand, but if I was on a jury and I found Howard, a child rapist, talking with a child or alone with a child, I am going to make a very educated assumption that he also intended to stab that child like he has been convicted of doing in the past.

 

[Sweater of AV]

That’s all you got? Pathetic. If someone is dumb enough to pull a picture from another forum to post in the war room stating what he stated both before the picture and after, I am going to take a shot back. I had the same thing happen to me in 2014.

And milky? Why not mayo or white bread? If you’re going to fire off racist insults, why not go all out? Or are those played out now on black twitter is so desperately trying to counter the many insults that make them seeth with uncontrollable rage?

I have never called anyone that word-ever and I used statistically based facts to prove my points, not weak ass insults because words aren’t going to set me off-especially to the point where I claim I feel threatened to the point of attempted murder over a word. Both of these guys are sub-human as is the jury for acquitting a very violent crime over insults AFTER THE STABBING. I and others including the prosecution believe that the stabbing was going to occur regardless based upon Edward’s past stabbing and violence. But activist juries in liberal areas gonna activist jury shit.

You're a bitch, plain and simple. No amount of mental gymnastics will change that.



Oh and there's absolutely nothing to indicate the jury acquitted him solely because of insults after the stabbing. If you had posted the actual story and defense, this thread would be a fart in the wind. Being a racist ass-clown though, you obviously couldn't do something so simple.

Has it ever crossed your mind that you not being able to read, write, or post a logical argument might indicate you're legitimately retarded? Just some food for thought.



Anyways, lol at posting a complete fabrication to sympathize with a child rapist. What an absolute moron.

 

[nhbbear]

The other thing that crossed my mind is the stabbed person has a child-molestation history. Very possible he lives very much on edge that people know him want revenge and to off him.

I don't know if that makes a difference from a legal perspective regarding his frame of mind if he was approached from behind by someone carrying a knife.

And the thing is that I don’t care that a child rapist was stabbed. Violently grabbed off of the street and fed to a wood chipper feet first would be fine with me. My issue is that we have someone with a conviction for stabbing people walking up behind a man with his back turned with a knife in hand-that signals bad intent to me and whether your a child rapist or a child psychologist-I would always react with fear towards the person sneaking up behind me. As I told @Sinister the child predator should have never been on the street sitting on a bench h in the first place. He should have been in said wood chipper or locked up for life in my book.

 

[Sinister]

how does that work? isn't the default just staying away from the homeless?
if the argument is that they're schizos and junkies most of them and they can't read social cues when no to follow you or come too close and get clocked, that's hardly like saying homeless are more in danger from the rest, because it's their actions that cause it. it's not like there's hobo hunting groups roaming at night looking for them.

People target homeless people for all kinds of crimes, criminal activity isnt based entirely on the inherent suburbanite disgust that a person doesnt have a home or is mentally ill. People also confront homeless people quite often who arent a particular risk to anyone, we just don't want them to be where they are. They are at much greater risk of crimes happening to them than we are of having a crime committed against us by them. You can blame them for it if it makes you feel better about it, but it is what it is. The most vulnerable encounter the most misfortune.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

People also confront homeless people quite often who arent a particular risk to anyone, we just don't want them to be where they are.

isn't this just being careful? you don't want one to snap near you. too risky. how can people tell if they're a danger or not? most often they all look pretty much the same.

 

[Sinister]

While I despise anyone that uses that word and I despise this man infinitely more for raping a child which in my opinion should have had two consequences-either he is not alive to walk the streets or he is behind bars for life and thus, not walking the streets. But the fact of the matter is that I don’t care that he called a man that stabbed him the n word or even if he said it before because the man was walking up with a knife in his hand and that is a deadly threat all day in my book. You simply don’t do that if you have no bad intentions. White people use that word to cause emotional pain, to trigger another, or get an anger reaction-but it has bad intent-but in my opinion, it is still just a word and not a threat in and of itself. So if someone stabs me and I want to lash out at them in any way I can, given that the cops would not let him attack the other and he would likely be unable to having just been stabbed-that leaves a verbal jab, which does not seem unreasonable to me given the circumstances. But the bottom line for me is that saying that word to a man after being stabbed whether on camera or not should not have a jury negate the attempted murder or stabbing of a person. There’s simply no equivalence there.

Yes but as an LEO you KNOW how the rules of engagement work. I can walk up to you with a knife in my hand, even if your back is turned, and if I have no intention to hurt you and you try to hurt me, I have a right to defend myself.

The jury believed that the stabber didn't want to stab the stabee until he revealed himself to be a violent racist by physically attacking him while hurling racist sh*t, and it's very difficult for you to wrap your head around that.

 

[nhbbear]

You're a bitch, plain and simple. No amount of mental gymnastics will change that.



Oh and there's absolutely nothing to indicate the jury acquitted him solely because of insults after the stabbing. If you had posted the actual story and defense, this thread would be a fart in the wind. Being a racist ass-clown though, you obviously couldn't do something so simple.

Has it ever crossed your mind that you not being able to read, write, or post a logical argument might indicate you're legitimately retarded? Just some food for thought.



Anyways, lol at posting a complete fabrication to sympathize with a child rapist. What an absolute moron.

Oh, big words on the internet. I posted an article and a video discussing the incident in the op but you’re likely too simple and lazy to read them. And I have been more than crystal clear that I am not in favor of a child rapist breathing let alone walking the streets-there’s no sympathy there. And I have made it more than crystal clear that I think him a trash bag for using the word, but it’s just a word and using it towards someone that just stabbed you is a reasonable response seeing as how they nearly killed you and you would want to lash out at them in any way you could. And calling me a racist? That’s some weak ass shit, but I expect nothing less from someone of your intelligence.

And where is this “fabrication” you speak of? Go ahead, I will await you actually being able to prove that- it my educated guess is that you will brush it off and tuck and run.

 

[AtomicPanther]

Minority Report is REAL!!!!!!!