Social Black Panther (War Room Discussion)

[Ruprecht]

I don't even know what Afrofuturism is after reading the Wiki

Well... Wikipedia is only ever a starting point. If you're not familiar with the authors or artists it mentions, there's plenty of other sources.
Including those relating specifically to this movie, and why it's seen as important.

 

[ManCityFC9]

Being inspired is one thing, but being proud of a fictional universe is another. If anything it illustrate the hopelessness when this is the bright spot.


Maybe I'm just being a negative sourpuss, but thinking a fictional movie is a rebuke to Trump's "shithole" comment isn't exactly logical.

It might just be the topicality; Trump' s comments are fairly recent and this movie, though fictitious, does put the African continent in a different light compared to stereotypes.

I don't think too many people in the AA community are going to use this movie in serious discussions on Africa.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Well... Wikipedia is only ever a starting point. If you're not familiar with the authors or artists it mentions, there's plenty of other sources.
Including those relating specifically to this movie, and why it's seen as important.

So it's like District 9 or Chappie? Die Antwoord?

 

[Ruprecht]

So it's like District 9 or Chappie? Die Antwoord?

No. You didn't read the links.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Mainstream Black culture?? You are kidding right. It's a movie that has a lot of publicity right now, just like any blockbuster. It will die down soon.

Black people, going to movie, dressing in African garb is just a bit of fun like cosplaying.

Well personally I think cosplay is dumb too, but this obviously has a much deeper meaning to these people than dressing up like a street fighter character.

 

[MicroBrew]

I never really felt that race relations necessarily *improved* under Obama, who was a white-people-pandering centrist, but it definitely feels like they've gotten worse since he left.

Obama is a liberal only in America. If we judge him by Western Euro standard, he is a centrist. Yeah Obama didn't really do much specifically for Blacks, but the rightwing thinks any Black Dem politician is the enemy, and not just because he/she is a Democrat.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Well... Wikipedia is only ever a starting point. If you're not familiar with the authors or artists it mentions, there's plenty of other sources.
Including those relating specifically to this movie, and why it's seen as important.

I've read the links, they pretty much just say it's sci-fi where black people control the world. IMO it's fucking stupid to focus on race. Imagine if we were to meet an alien race, how pathetic would they think we are for caring about skin pigmentation.


This type of thing is inherently racist. Real, good sci-fi doesn't give a fuck about skin color. Blade runner wouldn't have been any different with a black lead. Neither would district 9 which I referenced earlier.

 

[MicroBrew]

Well personally I think cosplay is dumb too, but this obviously has a much deeper meaning to these people than dressing up like a street fighter character.

It's a bit different obviously since the people connect the movie with real African culture (i.e. African clothing), but the dressing up doesn't seem far off from Cosplaying.

 

[Ruprecht]

I've read the links, they pretty much just say it's sci-fi where black people control the world. IMO it's fucking stupid to focus on race. Imagine if we were to meet an alien race, how pathetic would they think we are for caring about skin pigmentation.

If you actually read the articles and that was how you interpreted them, there's no helping you I'm afraid.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

I would maybe watch if Chris Tucker makes an appearance.

 

[LuchaBear]

 

[Ice That Jaw]

Gave the list above Sorry you don’t like them. There was also xxx, action Jackson, predator two, sleight...I could go on

I'm gonna git you sucka?

 

[LuchaBear]

Holy shit. This is hilarious.

How did a Marvel movie trigger an entire nation. lmao. We are so divided that comic book movies cause a shit storm.

We are failing as a nation.

EVERYTHING has been made into Right vs Left in the U.S. It's disgusting, fucking puppets.

 

[Seano]

If you actually read the articles and that was how you interpreted them, there's no helping you I'm afraid.

I know you weren't responding to me there but I'm just going by what I see in the media and how people are responding to this film. Seems like its being viewed as a symbol of empowerment.

I don't think we really need shit like this. I think we've had enough things that force people to look and consider their own skin color over the past few years.

 

[AFCrookie]

Bit more complicated than that skippy From all accounts the movie is good it is all the political talk and blogs and what not that have people voicing displeasure as far as I can tell


My gripe with the blog type shit is i think tribal words and thinking are bad and afrofuturism and such does not pass my if you put the word white in here would people go ape shit test. We dont need more racial pride and tribalism we need less.

I don't disagree. All the virtue signaling and excessive conclusion drawing is alot.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

If you actually read the articles and that was how you interpreted them, there's no helping you I'm afraid.

It's not how I interpeted them, it's what they said.

"Black Panther is the first shot at taking that concept mainstream and making black audiences feel like they can see themselves in a comic book film."

Why can't a black kid see himself as spiderman or captain america? As a child I wanted to be a ninja turtle and they are fucking turtles. Maybe people should stop seeing themselves as "black americans" and see themselves as Americans.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I know you weren't responding to me there but I'm just going by what I see in the media and how people are responding to this film. Seems like its being viewed as a symbol of empowerment.

I don't think we really need shit like this. I think we've had enough things that force people to look and consider their own skin color over the past few years.

So in other words...

'You're hearing things'

And you simply do not feel the need to verify those things and instead jump into the discussion putting forth the mirror of the SJW debate.

 

[Ruprecht]

I know you weren't responding to me there but I'm just going by what I see in the media and how people are responding to this film. Seems like its being viewed as a symbol of empowerment.

I don't think we really need shit like this. I think we've had enough things that force people to look and consider their own skin color over the past few years.

Your country appears to be dominated by identity politics. The culture war never ended, it just took an explicitly racial and ethnic turn.

 

[Seano]

Your country appears to be dominated by identity politics. The culture war never ended, it just took an explicitly racial and ethnic turn.

I always assume I'm talking to Americans on this site, for some reason.

 

[Ruprecht]

It's not how I interpeted them, it's what they said.

"Black Panther is the first shot at taking that concept mainstream and making black audiences feel like they can see themselves in a comic book film."

Why can't a black kid see himself as spiderman or captain america? As a child I wanted to be a ninja turtle and they are fucking turtles. Maybe people should stop seeing themselves as "black americans" and see themselves as Americans.

That's not remotely close to saying Afrofuturism is just Scifi where where black people control the world.
I don't read comics, but having read most of the scifi novels they reference, that's just not the case.