BLACK PANTHER v.4 (Dragonlord's Review)

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Quite the accomplishment, considering it isn't even a good movie.

Shit ton of white guilt in those nominations.

I enjoyed the movie for what it was, and my kid likes it too, it best picture Oscar nominee?

Son don’t fuckin think so

 

[Deleted member 220895]

Black Panther and Aquaman were practically the same movie, but I dont get an uncomfortable silence from people when I say I didnt like Aquaman.

I'm still trying to figure out the variables on why this occurance would happen. Right now, my studies read that it has to do with predatorial cats.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I hope it wins just to highlight the absursity of it all.

 

[R.I.P. KMS]

Not the worst best pictures nom.
Won't even be the worst winner if it wins.
Not even the best superhero movie released in 2018.

I agree Deadpool 2 was better

 

[robertcop2]

Black Panther and Aquaman were practically the same movie, but I dont get an uncomfortable silence from people when I say I didnt like Aquaman.

I'm still trying to figure out the variables on why this occurance would happen. Right now, my studies read that it has to do with predatorial cats.

They are not practically the same movie. Aquaman deals with a subaquactic throne struggle and revenge, it's extremely shallow. Black Panther deals with Wakanda being closed off to the world and evolving on its own, and the consequences of this selfish decision to the world and to black people.

Black Panther is much bigger and more complex than Aquaman. Does it deserve an Oscar nomination? Who gives a shit? The Oscars are a dumbass award, fuck all of those SJW dumbasses.

BTW, Aquaman was a lot of fun. Both are fun movies, non-deserving of any best anything award.

 

[Deleted member 220895]

They are not practically the same movie. Aquaman deals with a subaquactic throne struggle and revenge, it's extremely shallow. Black Panther deals with Wakanda being closed off to the world and evolving on its own, and the consequences of this selfish decision to the world and to black people.

Black Panther is much bigger and more complex than Aquaman. Does it deserve an Oscar nomination? Who gives a shit? The Oscars are a dumbass award, fuck all of those SJW dumbasses.

BTW, Aquaman was a lot of fun. Both are fun movies, non-deserving of any best anything award.

And yet you ignored the plot of the movie. You explained the settings, but not the conflicts within the characters (the driving point of the movie).

An outsider threatens a strong, closed off society by entering, forcing its need to be saved.

The only difference is the antagonist is the outsider in Black Panther whereas the protagonist was the outsider in Aquaman. The easiest way to write something "original"? Write the polar fucking opposite of something that already has been done. Its lazy writing to copy Black Panther like that.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Black Panther and Aquaman were practically the same movie, but I dont get an uncomfortable silence from people when I say I didnt like Aquaman.

I'm still trying to figure out the variables on why this occurance would happen. Right now, my studies read that it has to do with predatorial cats.

You can't take the absolute bare minimum outline of 2 movies and then say 'they're the same'. It's like saying Avengers was basically the same movie as Justice League.
Did both movies have to do with a new guy becoming king of some mythical kingdom? Yes. But trying to boil down a movie to basically that is dumb. You could belittle any movie if you make those kinds of oversimplifications

I don't think this was Oscar worthy...but...shit..what is? Theres been some terrible wins in the past, and this isn't even close to being the worst nomination ever

 

[Deleted member 220895]

You can't take the absolute bare minimum outline of 2 movies and then say 'they're the same'. It's like saying Avengers was basically the same movie as Justice League.
Did both movies have to do with a new guy becoming king of some mythical kingdom? Yes. But trying to boil down a movie to basically that is dumb. You could belittle any movie if you make those kinds of oversimplifications

I don't think this was Oscar worthy...but...shit..what is? Theres been some terrible wins in the past, and this isn't even close to being the worst nomination ever

The plot of the movie is the characters. The characters had the same driving force as one another with the antagonists and protagonists switched.

The most important part of both movies mirrored each other.

Say what you will.

 

[robertcop2]

The plot of the movie is the characters. The characters had the same driving force as one another with the antagonists and protagonists switched.

The most important part of both movies mirrored each other.

Say what you will.

Really? So T'Challa has to revert his father's decisions, which he idolized, because they were wrong and immoral, and because he killed his own brother, and you think there is anything as complex as this conflict in Aquaman...

 

[Magooglie]

Best Picture!?!

 

[SmilinDesperado]

The plot of the movie is the characters. The characters had the same driving force as one another with the antagonists and protagonists switched.

The most important part of both movies mirrored each other.

Say what you will.

It wasn't the "most important part". You clearly only saw these movies as comic book popcorn movies and nothing more.
The story is only one part of a movie, a movie doesnt even need to have an intricate story to be a great movie. You can have a movie about a simple story, even one that makes little sense, and it can turn out to be a good movie based on the acting and cinematography alone.
The acting, interactions, and goals and relationship of Tchalla and Kilmonger were not what was happening in Aquaman.
The details are what make or break a movie.

To say that Aquaman and Black Panther were the same movie is absurd. They weren't polar opposites, but it wasn't the same.
You can not like both movies for whatever reasons you want, but if you saw them as the same it's because you weren't paying attention and/or are wayyy oversimplifying

 

[Deleted member 220895]

Really? So T'Challa has to revert his father's decisions, which he idolized, because they were wrong and immoral, and because he killed his own brother, and you think there is anything as complex as this conflict in Aquaman...

Arguing semantics about specific character choices. What about the plot similarities? Because even when the same movie gets remade 20 years later, character choices are changed by the writers, though the plot is practically the same. Like the similarities Aquaman and Black Panther hold.

So to help you understand my point.

Aquaman and Black Panther are as different as Ocean's 11 (1960) was different to Oceans Eleven (2001).

 

[Deleted member 220895]

It wasn't the "most important part". You clearly only saw these movies as comic book popcorn movies and nothing more.
The story is only one part of a movie, a movie doesnt even need to have an intricate story to be a great movie. You can have a movie about a simple story, even one that makes little sense, and it can turn out to be a good movie based on the acting and cinematography alone.
The acting, interactions, and goals and relationship of Tchalla and Kilmonger were not what was happening in Aquaman.
The details are what make or break a movie.

To say that Aquaman and Black Panther were the same movie is absurd. They weren't polar opposites, but it wasn't the same.
You can not like both movies for whatever reasons you want, but if you saw them as the same it's because you weren't paying attention and/or are wayyy oversimplifying

Plot plot plot. That's what I'm saying and people are getting into semantics trying to prove their own points. Sorry for your misunderstanding. If you ask someone what a movie is about, they describe the plot. If someone described both the movies to me, I'd ask which one was better because I'd only want to see one. If you pitch a movie to an exec, you pitch the plot. Their plots are too much of the same outside their comic book universes. It was obvious that the writers were both either stealing (in the moral artistic way that we steal from influences) from the same source or one was copying the plot of the other. Their characters go through similar trials outside their specific struggles, sorry.

 

[robertcop2]

It wasn't the "most important part". You clearly only saw these movies as comic book popcorn movies and nothing more.
The story is only one part of a movie, a movie doesnt even need to have an intricate story to be a great movie. You can have a movie about a simple story, even one that makes little sense, and it can turn out to be a good movie based on the acting and cinematography alone.
The acting, interactions, and goals and relationship of Tchalla and Kilmonger were not what was happening in Aquaman.
The details are what make or break a movie.

To say that Aquaman and Black Panther were the same movie is absurd. They weren't polar opposites, but it wasn't the same.
You can not like both movies for whatever reasons you want, but if you saw them as the same it's because you weren't paying attention and/or are wayyy oversimplifying

Exactly. Comic book popcorn movies have basic inputs and outcomes. People do not watch them to be amazed by the outcome, which is often very obvious. It's what happens in between, it's exactly the action and the characters conflicts that matter, and those movies are extremely different in that sense. The reasons, consequences, impact, complexity are very different.

Saying they are the same is too simplistic.

 

[robertcop2]

Plot plot plot. That's what I'm saying and people are getting into semantics trying to prove their own points. Sorry for your misunderstanding. If you ask someone what a movie is about, they describe the plot. If someone described both the movies to me, I'd ask which one was better because I'd only want to see one. If you pitch a movie to an exec, you pitch the plot. Their plots are too much of the same outside their comic book universes. It was obvious that the writers were both either stealing (in the moral artistic way that we steal from influences) from the same source or one was copying the plot of the other. Their characters go through similar trials outside their specific struggles, sorry.

You don't know what semantics mean. Look it up.

 

[Deleted member 220895]

Exactly. Comic book popcorn movies have basic inputs and outcomes. People do not watch them to be amazed by the outcome, which is often very obvious. It's what happens in between, it's exactly the action and the characters conflicts that matter, and those movies are extremely different in that sense. The reasons, consequences, impact, complexity are very different.

Saying they are the same is too simplistic.

If your okay with watching both, that's no skin off my ass.

Marvel

DC

 

[robertcop2]

If your okay with watching both, that's no skin off my ass.

Marvel

DC

You expect me to know what's this shit?

The only romantic comedy I've ever seen is Groundhog Day, a great movie. You'd say these three are all basically the same movie, because they are all romantic comedies, right?

 

[Deleted member 220895]

You expect me to know what's this shit?

The only romantic comedy I've ever seen is Groundhog Day, a great movie. You'd say these three are all basically the same movie, because they are all romantic comedies, right?

I'm not challenging your masculinity. Calm down.

Their two movies about friends with benefit scenarios that dont work out.

It was obvious in the trailer, I too haven't seen either, plus they were 3 months apart so it was torn to shreds by the press.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

You know the year for movies suck when this gets nominated for best picture. And if they nominated this movie, they should have nominated Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. It's a lot better than this movie.

 

[Halge]

I enjoyed the movie for what it was

I actually, literally, thought it was a bad movie, even compared to other superhero movies. Like Aquaman, but with a less logical plot.