BJJ Etiquette: Standing Up?

I only find it stupid if one is on the knees and the other explosively get up and desperately try to put his kneed opponent on the bottom.

It's simply unrealistical.. if we were at a tourney-on a ring-on the street or whatever, the chances of this scenario are impossibly low.. so why the hell you would want to try it? To rack up gym victories? Meh.. :rolleyes:

On the opposite, if I buttscoot/pull open guard, with or without solid grips, it totally becomes a problem of mine and I'm 100% fine with the other guy to try and take advantage of it, the harder he tries the better it is. To tell the truth I find it even easier to sweep somebody trying to pass like this..
 
I'm a douchebag then I guess. I'll gladly stand if my opponent lets me. I started doing this because my friends who I grappled with outside the gym, would want to get away instead of attack. They'd literally tear themselves loose and go. I had to keep them under control and keep them down.

From a self defense perspective, it's certainly important. Same in MMA. To call it bad etiquette in pure BJJ says quite a bit about how lousy sport BJJ has become. If you stand up and no one wants to do any throwing. Fine, sit back down. You stand up and the other guy pulls guard? Fine. You pull guard again yourself? Fine. It's all fuckin fine.

In what situation in a fight do you find yourself disengaged from your opponent on the ground, but you're making no conscious attempt to stand? Is encouraging butt scooting a good thing suddenly? `

Einarr, keep doing what you do. I know I sure as hell do. The whole BJJ guys not wanting to do any throws is embarassing. Learn to breakfall, learn one or two throws. That's all you need.
 
If we originally started from standing, then it's fine. If we originally started from the knees, then it's just a reset and both guys get back on their knees.
 
I find people who can't decide how they want to start when rolling kind of irritating... Having said that, I'm not going to bury some poor white belt who looks like he's never performed a breakfall in his life with an OSG.

If my partner wants to disengage and stand up, he's fair game. Most BJJ'ers at my club will pull guard with the quickness if they find themselves up against one of the judoka on the feet.
 
If I am in bjj class I stay on the ground and go for sweep/pass/sub, the same way if I am in wrestling/judo class I stay on the feet and go for takedown and let them up. I am not going to pull guard in wreslting/judo class and I won't standup in bjj class. MMA would be different, and there are exceptions to the rule but my gameplan in bjj class doesn't involve standing up. I can understand if you don't have a wrestling/judo/takedown class at your gym so you incorporate it, but where I train they are separate.
 
If you let me stand up, who's fault is it that I stood up? BJJ is about taking what your opponent gives me.
 
its only bad etiquette if theyre still on their knees and u stand up and u try to throw him, if u stand and theyre on their knees then they should just sit back and play guard but still if u sit from the get go just play bottom and get the sweep/sub. if he stands to pass, and u also stand... well i wouldnt but if takedowns arent a surprise to anyone i dont guess itd be a big deal? people need to learn to deal with that for competition too. personally i wouldnt do it but i wouldnt be completely offended if someone did it to me. id take it more as someone saying to me "hey i want to try to play some top game" so if they stood while im standing, id sit down. i wrote this fast and it probably makes no sense, sorry xD
 
If we are neutral and disengaged, it is a natural reset point to the position where we began the last roll. If we agreed to work takedowns, we just keep going...some guys will slap hands anyway, but it's not really necessary.

OTOH, if you haven't agreed to work takedowns but you're engaged with something more than just grips, we will generally finish. For example, if I manage to grab a single leg from DHG and we stand with it, I can finish the move. However, if he gets his leg back to the mat, we reset.
 
If the normal sparring is to start on the knees then I kind of look at it like Judo in reverse - you have a short period of time to get a takedown when both are standing, otherwise return to the knees. And nothing too crazy - no driving across the mat to get a double leg etc
 
MacM said:
When guys stand up with me I throw a jab/cross combo and shoot in for a double, just kidding.

Yes, it would be considered bad etiquette. If you are playing guard it is expected that you will work guard while the other guy is working the pass. Of course you can use any takedown from the knees that you please.
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gpsarky, stop giving advice like you train. if you want to sit here and be a bjj groupie, go ahead. but do not act like you train and hand out advice. just keep quiet and learn
 
Nomad Nemesis said:
gpsarky, stop giving advice like you train. if you want to sit here and be a bjj groupie, go ahead. but do not act like you train and hand out advice. just keep quiet and learn
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Me not gsparky, me MacM, not gsparky. Me do train jiu-jitsu. Do you understand? Yes or no?

I do not know how to make this any simpler for you. I think other people are starting to notice what an idiot you are. Keep up the good work, you are the troll. Contribute to the thread and quit being a victim troll.
 
I'm no expert on BJJ etiquette, but I try to have a decent knack for being considerate of my surroundings.

That being said, if guy on bottom escapes to stand up, I just pull butt scoot and play open. Reason is, there isn't much space for us to wrestle (I do no gi) and I'm not trying to end up in someone else's roll and potentially injuring all 4 of us. So I just take the high road and play open.

That being said, I definitely need to work my wrestling. I haven't wrestled since I was a teen.
 
I also find starting on your knees kind of silly. I"m not sure what you're learning from that position. Maybe it's great for Gi rolls, but I don't think it makes much sense in no gi. In my school we just start in position already. Full guard. Half guard. Butterfly. Whatever a guy wants to work he'll just say, yeah, I need to work my guard.
 
Standing is not the issue, takedowns were the issue but they only came about because of standing.
I have an MMA focus and if someone is in my guard and I can stand up I will. If they stand up too, we restart from knees.
We don
 
I stand if I have no grips and my opponent makes too much space. If we started on knees and it is a crowded day we will start again on our knees, if we started standing we work from there. The reason is to avoid injury, the more ALL your training partners are healthy the more you can train with them. I don't see it as a dick move if they stand, I just make a note to not give so much space to allow this again.
 
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