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Economy Bitcoin/Crypto is imploding

The value of a company is determined by its share price.
I don't think that's right. The value of a company is reflected in price, not determined by it. The value of a company starts with products or services provided. What gives Bitcoin value, is it used for something tangible? I can understand why people would continue to invest in Coca Cola, for example, but Bitcoin still just seems like pure speculation, and what makes that ultimately sustainable?
 
I don't think that's right. The value of a company is reflected in price, not determined by it. The value of a company starts with products or services provided. What gives Bitcoin value, is it used for something tangible? I can understand why people would continue to invest in Coca Cola, for example, but Bitcoin still just seems like pure speculation, and what makes that ultimately sustainable?
Now you’re getting philosophical. The market cap is determined by the stock price.
 
He’s talking about money flowing into and out of the stock lmao
There is slang in options trading "in the money" and "out of the money" which maybe @Rob Battisti doesn't understand the difference between cash flow and describing asset's value for options trading. But i really don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt after he doubled down on it. lol
 
I don't think that's right. The value of a company is reflected in price, not determined by it. The value of a company starts with products or services provided. What gives Bitcoin value, is it used for something tangible? I can understand why people would continue to invest in Coca Cola, for example, but Bitcoin still just seems like pure speculation, and what makes that ultimately sustainable?
i think someone brought it up earlier, and AI is a good example to compare bitcoin to. AI is bleeding money at an absolutely alarming pace but people are continuing to buy into it because they see the value in the products that are being promised. What is bitcoin promising? line go up? always?
<mma4>
 
i think someone brought it up earlier, and AI is a good example to compare bitcoin to. AI is bleeding money at an absolutely alarming pace but people are continuing to buy into it because they see the value in the products that are being promised. What is bitcoin promising? line go up? always?
<mma4>
That's what I think they're failing to understand. Value is not price, value is tied to expected earnings based on goods or services, which is reflected in the price.
 
Update: I dumped 300,000 in to SPI and VFV.to over the past week, selling virtually all of my TLT, QDTE, HHIS.TO and BIGY.TO. I think I am just going to play the slow and steady race instead of of trying to get rich playing speculative growth stocks. I have lost so much money chasing after high flyers.
 
Yeah, that isn't even remotely true. Even if the share price of Microsoft went to $0.00, the company would still function in the short term, because they have revenue streams, cash on hand, tangible assets, et cetera. This is because Microsoft has actual value beyond the speculative. They have hundreds of billions of dollars worth of property (intellectual and otherwise), along with an enormous customer base that buys their products.

Bitcoin is nothing like that. Its only value is as a terrible currency which is barely utilized, and of course as an extremely volatile speculative asset. If I buy ten Bitcoins today and the price stays the same, I get nothing. If it goes to zero, I lose everything and get nothing in return. You might think, well that's normal for shareholders when a stock is wiped out, but it's only normal because most companies have creditors that need to be made whole before shareholders get paid.

With Bitcoin you wouldn't get anything because there isn't anything to actually liquidate—it's nothing but fairy dust. When you buy Bitcoin you are buying the hope that more people will buy Bitcoin. That's it. Once people stop buying it, the game is over. Once people realize that and start selling, it just becomes a matter of who can get out in time to not lose their ass. It's a simple game of trying to fuck other people over for their money while you try not to get fucked over for yours.

You need to stop pretending that this isn't the case.

Bitcoin is “digital gold”.
I’m going to melt down my Bitcoin and make a giant ring out of it, to give to my imaginary AI girlfriend as an engagement ring.
 
I wish I had done more with Bitcoin way back in the day. I knew about it early when it was being given away, and I thought, blockchain is stupid, it takes up far too much energy. How ridiculous... right? I blew it.

I made a little money on it and missed out on a ton. I guess that's like most people.
 
Money can be described in multiple ways. Dollars or fiat is one of them.

It’s usually defined as a medium of exchange, unit of account or store of value

Nobody is using bitcoin for money. Nearly zero of the total transactions carried out use bitcoin. It ain't replacing money. It hasn't even made one inch of progress as all crypto credit cards are doing is converting it to regular money for transacting with the vendor.
 
I wish I had done more with Bitcoin way back in the day. I knew about it early when it was being given away, and I thought, blockchain is stupid, it takes up far too much energy. How ridiculous... right? I blew it.

I made a little money on it and missed out on a ton. I guess that's like most people.

Don't beat yourself up. If you want to play the way back machine, you could have invested in Amazon, Google, Netflix, and any number of other companies. Hindsight is 20/20. Betting on crypto wouldn't have likely made sense at the time because it was just being used to buy drugs off the internet. In a sense, it was being used like money. Now it is just some weird game of musical chairs and everyone is trying to find someone dumber than them to buy their bag.
 
I brought it up because you implied that the price of bitcoin is dependent on investors buying and selling. As if that is different than anything else, including equities.
Equities can have more intrinsic value than bitcoin

The underlying business can generate profits and distribute dividends independent of speculation
 
The value of a company is determined by the stock price.

Lol

A company's value is not solely determined by its stock price, but rather by its
market capitalization (share price
× total shares), which reflects the market's perception of value. While the stock price indicates what investors are willing to pay, the true value—or intrinsic value—is based on fundamentals like earnings, cash flow, and assets, often differing from the market price.
 
I don't think that's right. The value of a company is reflected in price, not determined by it. The value of a company starts with products or services provided. What gives Bitcoin value, is it used for something tangible? I can understand why people would continue to invest in Coca Cola, for example, but Bitcoin still just seems like pure speculation, and what makes that ultimately sustainable?
In a technical sense it is, market cap is company value at a given moment.
 
I wish I had done more with Bitcoin way back in the day. I knew about it early when it was being given away, and I thought, blockchain is stupid, it takes up far too much energy. How ridiculous... right? I blew it.

I made a little money on it and missed out on a ton. I guess that's like most people.
Well it’s more than just buying back in the day, there’s commitment involved. Buying like a $1000 five six years ago might have gotten 7x but you really gotta commit to make substantial gains. How many people in 2019 would actually put in 50K+ in BTC? That’s real commitment.
 
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