Media Bisping: If Charles wins he surpasses Khabib and becomes LW GOAT

[NoSmilez]

He will be ahead of Khabib. He would have more title fights and his current streak is probably more or close to Khabib's whole UFC career.

 

[Squarechoke]

Since greatness is more about getting the best wins rather than not losing that's probably a good call. Not that it matters all that much.

 

[BFoe]

Lmao who gives a fuck about technicalities? Tf are you, a robot?

Technicalities? Lol wtf man. The fight was a title fight at a contracted weight, and Oliveira missed weight, was stripped of the belt, and not eligible to win it in that fight.

It cannot count as a title defense if the “champ” didn’t make champ weight and didn’t have the belt. Period. Full stop. The end.

 

[BoomStronk]

This doesn't make any sense

GOAT takes into account ALL OF TIME, up until the present, not the future.

Lol. Imagine thinking like this. The ultimate hipster.

I listen to music that doesn't even exist yet, I'm so with it. My favourite band? You've never heard of them. I haven't even heard of them.

 

[TheTickG]

Let's work on consistently making championship weight first.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Lol. Imagine thinking like this. The ultimate hipster.

I listen to music that doesn't even exist yet, I'm so with it. My favourite band? You've never heard of them. I haven't even heard of them.

Band of the future is GOAT band!

 

[Nightgunner05]

He right. Oliveira’s recent run is more impressive than Khabib’s even when you don’t include Islam, but Islam puts him over the top.

I know some of you are impressed that Khabib has an unbeaten record, but you have to look at who he fought. His pre ufc career is so worthless, that in my opinion he’s only 13-0. Still impressive, but certainly not unsurmountable GOAT status.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

Typical fight week hype

First Dana says that volk w fight the winner. We all know that after the fight we will see what happens. But for now, we are hyping a fight.

Same with bisping, of course this fight makes all the difference, so tune in.

For me not needed, the fight is compelling enough. But I get my sherbros need this stuff.

 

[Ozze]

Nah man. The GOAT discussion is not just about the numbers. Many variables included and the fact that Khabib beat everyone and made it look easy stills weights heavy on his claim as the LW GOAT.

 

[Skarsgard]

There was another title fight on that card, and both made weight perfectly on their first attempt. I find it hard to believe that it was only because of the extra pound that these fighters made weight, fighters generally take that pound into account anyhow when cutting. Another poster just linked me to the weigh in results, and several fighters hit the target weight on the nose despite the 1 pound allowance (OSP was 205 exactly, Khaos was 170 exactly, Van Camp was 170, Gatto 125, and Loopy 115, plus Gaethje and the co-main title fight). I know that several fighters complained about the scale, so who knows—but we don’t just get to assume it was scale fuckery, and gift Oliveira a title defense when the reality was that he was stripped and ineligible to win. That’s just fantasy.

I understand context. Like, I’m not a Jon Jones fan, but I consider him undefeated. I don’t really hold the DQ loss against him. But if Jones had been LHW champ at the time, I sure as hell wouldn’t count it as a title defense either.

I can agree with that much.

Bones on the other hand. I'd consider that argument if he hadn't landed intentional fouls in every fight since. Evidence points to him trying to be dirty and paying for it.

 

[Szwok]

he is close now so he will be goat for sure after this win

 

[BFoe]

I can agree with that much.

Bones on the other hand. I'd consider that argument if he hadn't landed intentional fouls in every fight since. Evidence points to him trying to be dirty and paying for it.

For sure, and I think those elbows were absolutely illegal 12-6s. I don’t really agree with how Mazzagatti handled it— he should’ve called time, and given Hammill time to recover. If Hammill couldn’t recover, then it has to be determined whether it should be an NC or DQ. So, even if it was handled properly it could’ve been the same result in the end. It’s just hard for me to say that Hammill beat Jones when Jones was whupping the dog snot out of him is all.

 

[Taric]

At this moment in time Oliveira has 2 LW titles to his name... there's like 5 guys that have had 4 LW titles.

 

[BFoe]

At this moment in time Oliveira has 2 LW titles to his name... there's like 5 guys that have had 4 LW titles.

Finally someone else shows up to talk some sense ITT.
Sherdoggers must not think the title of “GOAT” means all that much, as they try to give that title to every motherfucker that puts together a decent win streak. I’ve been a fan of Oliveira’s for years, but he’s not even top 5 LW all time for me. I think Khabib, BJ, Benson, Frankie, and Melendez rank higher all time at least.

 

[560ti]

It’s be hard to argue against it, unless you want to count early career losses pretty high on the scale

In his case those early losses don't matter.

If you had to split his elite wins 50/50 (half of his elite wins coming now and other half back when he was a fringe .500 fighter) then yeah those losses would matter but since pretty much all of his notable wins have been during his current 12-1 LW run, then it doesn't matter

Anyone harping on his losses would be like someone saying the early to mid 1990s Dallas Cowboys weren't a dynasty because they sucked in the 80s

 

[The Bloody Nine]

The UFC is constantly pushing this retarded GOAT shit and you weirdos lap it up, for some reason. I wonder how many new GOATs there'll be by 2023.

 

[560ti]

No, besides beating Islam, he has to win 1-2 more fights after to be LW GOAT.

Sounds about right.

If he beats Islam and then one more he'd be 14-1 since returning to LW and would have 7 straight top 8 wins and 5-0 in title bouts

 

[Rizzo]

well, dude, there's 8 of those losses and they stretch to 2017.

if you want to count his high number of notable wins you might as well count his losses.

it's almost a 1:1 ratio of his notable wins vs. losses.

His losses were to prime Jim Miller, cowboy, edgar, pettis, Swanson, and Holloway. And Lamas and Felder were both ranked fighters as well and no scrubs. So yeah he had a tough stretch there as he struggled with making weight (4 misses) but since then he’s won 11 straight finishing everyone but Ferguson who should also count as a finish as that fight should have been stopped by the ref.

Khabib may be undefeated but let’s be real here he has exactly 5 quality wins, the same as Oliveira has now so another quality win this weekend and it would be tough to argue against Oliveira being the LW goat.

 

[Rizzo]

The UFC is constantly pushing this retarded GOAT shit and you weirdos lap it up, for some reason. I wonder how many new GOATs there'll be by 2023.

As the sport continues to grow and evolve the GOAT talks will forever be fluid and changing it’s not a hard concept to understand. Why so mad though sherbro?

 

[BFoe]

No, besides beating Islam, he has to win 1-2 more fights after to be LW GOAT.

Sounds about right.

If he beats Islam and then one more he'd be 14-1 since returning to LW and would have 7 straight top 8 wins and 5-0 in title bouts

Prior to his UFC run, Gil Melendez was 21-2 at LW, and his 2nd LW title reign began with a run where he was 7-0 in title fights. And against some pretty good names, too.
I’d have to pull some old rankings to see where they were ranked at the time.