Media Bisping: If Charles wins he surpasses Khabib and becomes LW GOAT

[ColombianFist]

until more defenses. otherwise Bisping is again, hyping shit. i know both guys records and for me khabib is LW goat.

 

[ConditFan]

well, dude, there's 8 of those losses and they stretch to 2017.

if you want to count his high number of notable wins you might as well count his losses.

it's almost a 1:1 ratio of his notable wins vs. losses.

4 of those losses are at FW. Wins and losses at a different weight class shouldn't go for or against a fighter. Charles has 4 losses at LW and 2 were years and years ago.

 

[modulus]

Company man backs the company line

 

[BigGing]

And still Poirier and Gaethje are two of Khabib’s best wins. Poirier is probably his best win. But now they’re too weak to consider for Charles compared to Khabib? Doesn’t make any sense.

Yeah I don't get that argument. It's not like they suffered a Cain-JDS beating and were never the same, they just got beat. Idk why besting them after means less (especially considering Charles beat them as impressive, if not more so)

 

[funksoulbrother]

charles may have a good run going....he wont knock khabib off the GOAT pedestal imo...

Hell have accomplished more

 

[Post 2 Decision]

On cards he lost a close round standing and making it close with Conor, while making a point that he can stand with the assumed best striker in the division at the time and get in zero trouble. I’d say he won more than he lost in that round.

Silly

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Inspired by this thread.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...surpasses-khabib-and-becomes-lw-goat.4260205/

I think even if he beats decisively it's close, there about even. But if he gets two more title defences and wins than he surpasses Khabib imo.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

GOAT

 

[BlueRunner]

Everyone is trying to to troll Khabib back into fighting Charles...

If he beats Islam and fails to call out Khabib then it would be extremely disappointing.

Why? Khabib already ran away and is going the DC route in retirement.

Plus even if Khabib is able to manage to loose all that weight and not towel gate at the weigh ins, he won't last more than 2 rounds with Charles before getting subbed.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

It’s be hard to argue against it, unless you want to count early career losses pretty high on the scale

Right, there’s no perfect equation. Beating Chandler, Poirier, Gaethje and Islam would be a better and more well-rounded title reign than Raging Al, Conor, Poirier and Gaethje.

I think you’ve also gotta consider that if Islam can’t beat Charles I’m not sure what the others challengers will have for him. So the title resume might get even better.

What Khabib will obviously always have is the perfect pre-title run and he’ll likely be the only one to walk away on top.

 

[Strijfy]

Conor sat on the belt doing sweet fuck all with it and got stripped

fixed it for you

 

[krelianx]

That's retarded.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Fighting the last champs leftovers is never as big of a deal as the guy who beat them on their first title run(Gaethje, Poirier). I'd also say that RDA when Khabib fought him was a much bigger win than Michael Chandler. You then take into account Khabib never lost, was far more dominant and how vulnerable Oliveira looked as champ along with his past losses.

I'd say Charles needs a good few more wins, let's see him surpass 3 title defenses and 13 consecutive wins then there will be a strong debate for his case. Charles is on a similar situation to Volk for me, they beat the past generations fighters and past champs leftovers, now they need to fight the current top guys on the rise to cement their legacies.

Fair point but there are some factors to consider…..

1. Khabib’s title run consisted entirely of taking down strikers, occasionally doing a little boxing once both were tired.

2. Charles chose to stand toe to toe with Gaethje and Poirier and take the fire. They weren’t materially more worn down that when Khabib submitted them and Charles took their best offense and then ran through them.

3. He did the same with Chandler. Took the best offense from one of the most explosive guys in the division and then knocked him out.

4. The big IF here is Islam. IF Charles beats Islam that’s a better win than anything Khabib has.

It’s an interesting conversation if Charles wins. I don’t think it’s crazy to ask for one more win, but one of Khabib’s four title fights was against a late replacement who has never sniffed a title fight on merit, and a second was a guy on a two-year layoff. To me that washes out any concerns about DP/JG being leftovers, but that’s just my two cents

 

[Lee_]

The simple fact is, he will have beaten better fighters than Khabib. As far as his early losses, that is something for Khabib huggers to desperately hold onto. Any decent MMA fan knows those fights don't matter given he was a far lesser fighter. It can take a while to develop your skills; that's the way this sport is. The fact that Khabib came out playing it safe and smashing cans just means he didn't have the balls that Chucky has. Charles has finished the only good fighters Khabib ever beat.

 

[rellikoge]

I agree with Bisping. If chuck beats islam he is the goat for sure.

 

[kingmob6]

after this weekend all of this charles legacy talk will be finished.

 

[true_fan]

The simple fact is, he will have beaten better fighters than Khabib. As far as his early losses, that is something for Khabib huggers to desperately hold onto. Any decent MMA fan knows those fights don't matter given he was a far lesser fighter. It can take a while to develop your skills; that's the way this sport is. The fact that Khabib came out playing it safe and smashing cans just means he didn't have the balls that Chucky has. Charles has finished the only good fighters Khabib ever beat.

Charles was lucky he didn’t get KO’d and that’s nothing to be proud off. Khabib looked like a different league against everyone except for Tibau

 

[cheesus]

Pump the breaks, he has only officially defended the title once and has lost 8 times. I'm not sure he really has any elite wins either, maybe Porrier but I'd consider Justin and Chandler to be high level wins not elite. Khabib beat more decorated fighters like RDA and Conor as well as Porrier and Justin. I'd consider Charles to be the LW GOAT if he could manage 3 or 4 title defences over the current record. He has a long way to go but beating Islam, would be massive.

 

[Local Plata]

Meh. No.

 

[Lee_]

Charles was lucky he didn’t get KO’d and that’s nothing to be proud off. Khabib looked like a different league against everyone except for Tibau

No he was not lucky, he was better. That is another thing to cling onto as charles dusts Khabib's legacy. Khabib didn't fight like Charles does, but I don't think that is anything to be proud of. Khabib had mostly longer and more conservative, boring fights than Charles. Khabib decisioned a lot of guys that Charles would easily finish right now. Khabib only had a few impressive finishes more recently, but they were ideal matchup or him, strikers that couldn't grapple. So if we are talking aesthetics, Charles's fights look better. He has the balls to go all out; and until someone can beat him, no use criticizing or marginalizing his performances.

Anyway, that is all excuses and nonsense. You have to beat the best to be the best, and Khabib slipped out before the real competition came along at LW. Charles is going to hang around to beat the best, and he will therefore be better than Khabib,

How many more top contenders does Chucky have to beat for you to be convinced? Or will you never be convinced because you don't WANT to be convinced? I mean, those excuses become kind of weak after a while, right?