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International Bill Gates nuclear startup unlikely to build reactor in China due to new US laws.

Is Gates pet project trying to use weapon grade uranium and plutonium surplus for fuel? If that’s the case then no shit it got torpedoed. Also it’s a good reason to try ad go to China for this stuff. Even though the US and Russia don’t have an agreement anymore when it comes to MOX, it would still look bad if he wet to Russia i believe.
 
For those who don't understand nuclear power, it is nothing more than a steam engine that uses uranium rods to heat and boil water. Had it not been for the decay of uranium rods and then high radioactive toxicity after they run their useful life, it would have been a perfect engine.
 
No... Westinghouse sold it to them and it was a few years later.
Small correction, it was 2008. Westinghouse willingly transferred AP1000 to China to expand their business there. You literally gave them the design over a decade ago. You then even signed a second contract to bring them up to speed. It's written right in the article.
 
Small correction, it was 2008. Westinghouse willingly transferred AP1000 to China to expand their business there. You literally gave them the design over a decade ago. You then even signed a second contract to bring them up to speed. It's written right in the article.
With the State Departments approval.
 
Nether Chernobyl or Fukushima have been brought under control. Chernobyl is dead to anyone moving into the area because the reactor has a new sarcophagus but still radiates. Hardly what you would call a safe zone and people have still not moved into the area because of continued radioactive contamination. Fukushima could be even worst not because of the area but due to a lack of Government reporting. The Japanese government seems to want to keep a lid on how truly bad it is in the ocean.

How is it not under control? Is radiation still being emitted outside the reactor area? No.

You have people that are living close to the Chernobyl area and are doing fine. Today, depending on the area and how close to the reactor, neither animal, water, or plant life has been affected.

Story 01: https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-04...ainian-babushkas-are-still-living-their-toxic
Story 02: https://www.fastcompany.com/3020853...e-who-still-live-near-chernobyl-and-fukushima

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Fukushima has ocean water (salt water) to help clean things up. Remember the Marshall Islands and the high-yield thermonuclear weapons tests of the 1950s? Amazingly enough, the area is pretty much back to normal these days.

Story 03:

Story 04: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ear-site-Bikini-Atoll-thriving-ecosystem.html
 
Small correction, it was 2008. Westinghouse willingly transferred AP1000 to China to expand their business there. You literally gave them the design over a decade ago. You then even signed a second contract to bring them up to speed. It's written right in the article.

Why do you keep saying "you" as if I did anything here. I know the Westinghouse staff, and that is not their understanding of events. They installed some AP1000 reactors, then the Chinese reverse engineered them and shut them out. The Westinghouse team was not cooperating with the Chinese efforts to take their technology. Why would they? The deal was not that lucrative. In fact, Westinghouse is in bankruptcy now... because of it.
 
Why do you keep saying "you" as if I did anything here. I know the Westinghouse staff, and that is not their understanding of events. They installed some AP1000 reactors, then the Chinese reverse engineered them and shut them out. The Westinghouse team was not cooperating with the Chinese efforts to take their technology. Why would they? The deal was not that lucrative. In fact, Westinghouse is in bankruptcy now... because of it.

"You" as in United States of Murica.

That's not how it went down. Westinghouse signed not one, but two, contracts to transfer AP1000 design and bring the Chinese side up to speed. Excuse me if I believe a reputable news source more than your personal accounts from an unknown third party. You can't sell your stuff to others willingly then claim it got stolen later.
 
Gates's nuclear venture has had to abandon its plan to build an experimental reactor in conjunction with China's state owned China National Nuclear Corp. due to the Trump administration passing new laws aimed at curtailing technology transfers to China.

Ok @MicroBrew, I'm still waiting for a response. Your thread.
What kind of reactor is Gate's TerraPower LLC planning on building? Any chance Gates has gone a little 'whacko' and is selling weapons grade Uranium to Iran or ISIS? Using the reactor as a cover, like the Israelis did?
 
You can't sell your stuff to others willingly then claim it got stolen later.

That's funny. :)
Happens more often than we realize. Lawyer up and make money a second time.
Like girls who have sex willingly and than say they got raped. Same concept. Money to be made.
 
So, can Nuclear Reactors make weapons grade material? Yes. The Israelis proved that.

Reactor-grade Plutonium can be used to make powerful and reliable nuclear weapons. You still need bomb making knowledge to make this happen, which is not an easy process.

"Nuclear apologists often argue that the 'reactor-grade' plutonium (RGPu) routinely produced in power reactors cannot be used in nuclear weapons. Thus the purported links between nuclear power and weapons have no basis in truth, they argue."

"The premise is false − RGPu can be used in weapons. Moreover, the links between nuclear power (and civil nuclear programs more generally) and weapons proliferation go well beyond the use of RGPu in weapons. Ostensibly civil nuclear materials and facilities can be used in support of weapons programs in many ways."

Link: https://www.wiseinternational.org/n...actor-grade-plutonium-be-used-nuclear-weapons

The most common isotope, Plutonium-239 (Pu-239) - man made element, is produced when the most common isotope of Uranium, Uranium-238 (U-238), absorbs a neutron and then quickly decays to Plutonium. It is this Plutonium isotope that is most useful in making nuclear weapons, and it is produced in varying quantities in virtually all operating nuclear reactors.

Because of the preference for relatively pure Pu-239 for weapons purposes, when a reactor is used specifically for creating weapons Plutonium, the fuel rods are removed and the Plutonium is separated from them after relatively brief irradiation (at low "burnup"). The resulting "weapons-grade" Plutonium is typically about 93% Pu-239.
 
...part of the secret to making our Plutonium Atom bomb :) (Nagasaki style - two stage):

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The initial (conventional) explosion symmetrically compresses the Pu-239 to twice its normal density before the "Urchin" added free neutrons initiate a 'fission' chain reaction.
  • An exploding-bridgewire detonator simultaneously starts a detonation wave in each of the 32 tapered high-explosive columns (positioned around the explosive material at the face centers of a truncated icosahedron, a geometry popularly known from the pattern of common soccer balls).
  • The detonation wave is initially convex in the...
  • ...faster explosive. The wavefronts become concave in the...
  • ...slower explosive. The 32 waves then merge into a single spherical implosive shock-wave which hits the...
  • ...inner charges' faster explosive.
  • The medium-density aluminum "pusher" transfers the imploding shock-wave from the low-density explosive to the high-density Uranium, minimizing undesirable turbulence. The shock-wave then compresses the inner components, passing through a...
  • ...boron-plastic shell intended to prevent pre-detonation of the bomb by stray neutrons. The shock-wave reaches the center of the bomb, where the...
  • ...beryllium210polonium "Urchin" is crushed, pushing the two metals together and thereby releasing a burst of neutrons into the compressed...
  • ...pit of the nickel-plated delta-phase alloy of Pu-239-Pu (96% morality). A fission chain reaction then begins. The tendency of the fissioning pit to blow itself apart prematurely is reduced by the inward momentum of the...
  • ...natural-uranium "tamper" (inertial confinement). The tamper also reflects neutrons back into the pit, accelerating the chain reaction. If and when sufficient fast neutrons are produced, the tamper itself undergoes fission, accounting for up to 20% of the weapon's yield.
The result is the fission of about 2.2 lb of the 13.6 lb of Pu-239 in the pit, i.e. of about 16% of the fissile material present. 1 gram (0.035 oz) of matter in the bomb is converted into the active energy of heat and radiation, releasing the energy equivalent to the detonation of 21 kilotons of TNT.

Now, some idiot decided that that was not enough destructive power and invented the Hydrogen Bomb. Here we have part of the secret (again) on how a thermonuclear warhead is made. Ivy Mike. 4 stage 'fusion' bomb. So powerful, it takes the bomb above to set it off -- 10.4 megatons of explosive power. Crazy! About 650 Hiroshima type bombs in one explosion.


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Ok @MicroBrew, I'm still waiting for a response. Your thread.
What kind of reactor is Gate's TerraPower LLC planning on building? Any chance Gates has gone a little 'whacko' and is selling weapons grade Uranium to Iran or ISIS? Using the reactor as a cover, like the Israelis did?
You are joking right...

The Gates nuclear reactor design aims to use depleted Uranium fuel rods as the feed stock, whereas current reactors treat it as waste byproduct of the nuclear fission .

https://terrapower.com/technologies/twr
 
Is Gates pet project trying to use weapon grade uranium and plutonium surplus for fuel? If that’s the case then no shit it got torpedoed. Also it’s a good reason to try ad go to China for this stuff. Even though the US and Russia don’t have an agreement anymore when it comes to MOX, it would still look bad if he wet to Russia i believe.

ahoy BigDickRick,

Russia, for obvious reasons, would like nothing more than to see the technology Mr. Gates was developing with the Chinese vanish.

the Russian economy, such that it is, is entirely built upon oil production.

the country would collapse if this venture came online.

- IGIT
 
ahoy BigDickRick,

Russia, for obvious reasons, would like nothing more than to see the technology Mr. Gates was developing with the Chinese vanish.

the Russian economy, such that it is, is entirely built upon oil production.

the country would collapse if this venture came online.

- IGIT
But that goes for Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Iran, Venezuela, Nigeria, Brunei also. All these countries know they can not stop other countries from developing new energy generation technologies that will supplant fossil fuels.

What is stopping Gates bringing in other countries as coalition partners?
 
I don't think humanity is capable of taking care of nuclear waste for its what, 250,000 year life span. We should probably start rethinking nuclear power.

The waste can be used in new reactors.
That's the thing about technology, it keeps getting better. It would be cheap and clean to power the world with modern nuclear power. Unfortunately governments need finite resources to be seen as needed to save us from ourselves.
Stop buying into it and get educated on the cleanest safest way to power the world.
 
hio MB!

But that goes for Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Iran, Venezuela, Nigeria, Brunei also.

yep, sure does.

All these countries know they can not stop other countries from developing new energy generation technologies that will supplant fossil fuels.

they know that they can not stop it, but they know they can delay it. like, lol, it wouldn't be the first time monied entities retarded tech and innovation in the name of squeezing out a few more sheckles before the roof caves in.

What is stopping Gates bringing in other countries as coalition partners?

nothing.

he is and has been doing just that. Mr. Gates is partnering with Russian interests (Russia’s Scientific Research Institute of Atomic Reactors) and Japan.

its just that China has both money and a vast government apparatus ready to assist in the ventire; and their needs are pretty dire.

i know this is hard for Americans to believe, but the Chinese don't have any particular liking for filth and smog...nor are they emotionally attached to their masks they have to don as they head off to work.

they want clean air and water - yet they still want to continue their race towards industrialization.

they're smart, and they're figuring it out. and Mr. Gates knows this, so that's where he went.

- IGIT
 
The waste can be used in new reactors.
That's the thing about technology, it keeps getting better. It would be cheap and clean to power the world with modern nuclear power. Unfortunately governments need finite resources to be seen as needed to save us from ourselves.
Stop buying into it and get educated on the cleanest safest way to power the world.
Thanks for educating me professor
 
There's one main reason that governments oppose nuclear power... it's too efficient. In order for governments to gain power through nonviolent methods, they have to convince the people they need something only they can give them, and then place a value on that something. It's the same thing businesses do, but businesses generally have to produce something. Government actually finds ways to do it without producing anything. This is especially true of socialist governments, who have the added goal of preventing class mobility.

So these governments need things to be "finite". If something is finite, it's more valuable, and thus can justify more taxes and regulations (control). Nuclear power is not very finite, there's a lot of potential there for cheap energy, so that has to go. "Fossil fuels" are somewhat finite, but they need to make them more so by limiting drilling and refining for "environmental" reasons. But now that it's harder to get, they can justify more taxes on it for allowing less production.

So then we get to wind and solar power. As far as utilizing them, they're some of the most finite energy resources available... so that's what we need. They've actually convinced people to pay more in taxes for developing less efficient energy, and once we've reduced the cheap energy sources, we'll for some reason be fine with paying higher rates for less energy.

They're doing the same thing with water in California. They're set to tax use of well water, and there's even talk of taxing rainfall on your property! Yet very little has been done to make water more available to the people (building dams, desalination plants with nuclear power, etc). Instead they justify removing dams and dumping billions of gallons of water into the ocean on behalf of fish. Making the resource more finite = more power over the people.

Californian politicians will yell about helping the poor while signing legislation making it tougher to be poor here. Requiring solar on every home, adding $10k to the already insane home prices. Increasing gas and car registration costs. Increasing energy costs. Increasing water (and thus food) costs. Etc etc etc. Socialists want a two class system, and instead of elevating everyone, it's easier to push them down to the same level.
 
.35 people are killed every year by nuclear power plants. One person every three years. Coal-fired power plants kill one person EVERY 18 HOURS.
 
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