Biggest robbery? GSP/Hendricks or Jones/Reyes?

Neither were robberies, both fights were 2-2 with a swing round that could go either way. Jones/Santos was a robbery tho. Santos is still to this day the only man to win a scorecard against Jones.
 
According to the judging criteria in place for Jones vs. Reyes, there were no meaningful judging criteria in place for Jones vs. Reyes. Texas is not a unified rules state. The Texas criteria are that judges must evaluate MMA techniques and score rounds using a 10-point-must system. That's literally it. The rules give non-exclusive examples of MMA techniques that must be considered and no order of priority or even definitions for use in considering MMA techniques. The rules don't even define a 10-8 round; they just say that a 10-10 round is rare and that the losing fighter in a round gets 9 or fewer points. The rules don't even exclude the use of criteria that aren't based on MMA technique - considering visible bruising or fighter hair color would be allowed within the language of the rules.
Wow, thanks for that link. the rules say “evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, fighting area control, and effective aggressiveness/defense”. I guess the rules don’t say consider aggression and control when striking is even. It just says you have to consider aggression and control all together. Based off of what I read in that link you sent me, I can understand why the judges favored Jones. They were instructed to score aggression and octagon control.
 
mmadecisions complies their scores via submissions from other websites. Mmadecisions doesn’t want people to believe believe anything specific as if there was some agenda. You saying mmadecisions wants people to believe gsp vs Hendricks wasn’t close makes no sense. They just posted the decisions of mma media websites that they gathered. You can wish more media sites submitted scores to have that data compiled but to say mmadecisions wants people to think a certain way is just wrong in my opinion.
Mate is this you or are you daft?
Just go look at mmadecisions.com. Not a single media outlet scored the fight for GSP. Jones got 1/3rd of the media outlets saying he won.
YOU are the one saying to check MMADecisions that not a single media scored the fight for GSP.

I'M the one pointing out that's not true as MMADecisions doesn't even have the those scorecards that yes exist cause it's an incomplete and flawed resource that has a stupid unobjective critieria for inclusion and so misses cards.

And of course obviously MMADecisions is biased and wants their pages to look the way they do otherwise they'd have a better business model than simply including fucking scorecards they get tagged in or without any nuance to the scores given. Their headline is "here's the scores" and not "actually we missed some, as well as didn't include X scored it "maybe" this"
 
Mate is this you or are you daft?

YOU are the one saying to check MMADecisions that not a single media scored the fight for GSP.

I'M the one pointing out that's not true as MMADecisions doesn't even have the those scorecards that yes exist cause it's an incomplete and flawed resource that has a stupid unobjective critieria for inclusion and so misses cards.

And of course obviously MMADecisions is biased and wants their pages to look the way they do otherwise they'd have a better business model than simply including fucking scorecards they get tagged in or without any nuance to the scores given. Their headline is "here's the scores" and not "actually we missed some, as well as didn't include X scored it "maybe" this"
Mmadecisions is not biased. They simply post the media outlets they have information for and put them together. And I clearly said look on mmadecisions. All the media outlets on there didn’t score it for gsp. Not once did I say they had every media score nor does mmadecisions pretend they do. Your logic goes both ways. There are media outlets that scored it for jones that didn’t post. Either way, according to the website deals with topics like these gsp vs Hendricks has no wins for gsp. I don’t see that as a bad metric to look at.
 
Wow, thanks for that link. the rules say “evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, fighting area control, and effective aggressiveness/defense”. I guess the rules don’t say consider aggression and control when striking is even. It just says you have to consider aggression and control all together. Based off of what I read in that link you sent me, I can understand why the judges favored Jones. They were instructed to score aggression and octagon control.
The Texas rules even require the evaluation of defensive technique, which means that making your opponent miss (strongly in favor of Jones over Reyes every round but round three) is part of what gets evaluated, although there's no requirement (or ban on) that it be weighed highly.
 
Adding onto this, since I directly compared these 2 fights "as robberies" before in another thread, I'm just gonna pull the post from there::

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Could I have been thinking of GSP vs Hendricks?
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Hmm..?
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Nah, I am thinking of Jones-Reyes.

You wanna talk about close rounds? Which rounds went to Jon exactly, cuz I'm confused.
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I give Jon 2 rounds, but which 3rd should I give him? They all just look so delicious.

See, this is what a split looks like.
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Hmm, maybe the stats will clear things up.
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Yup, those definitely look like close rounds. Total strikes and attempetd volume vs significant strikes are similar or flipped, control time with takedowns split attention. Makes sense.

Ok, so we can identify close rounds. Let's see the close rounds with Jones
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You see in the first 3 rounds, the significant strikes are all so clo..
DOM +6
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..wait no. Well, even if the significant strikes have a wide margin, I'm sure the total strikes and attempted volume must have made up the diff..
DOM +6 / +32
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DOM +7 / +11

..oh no. I mean, where the strikes land is important too, so maybe Dom was just doing legwork while Jon surpassed him in combined head & body strikes to close the ga-
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shit.. Well, Jon is one of the best wrestlers in MMA, I'm sure his successful takedowns and control time stole some ro-
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... Oh... Well, there's always a difference of power and clean connections. Maybe the biggest moments of the rounds were Jones'? If you take a look at the UFC's post-round highlights in round 3, I'm sure we'll fin-
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Ah.. yeah, no. I don't think there's much of an argument that Jones should have won.
Jones should have ducked that high kick like he is ducking Tom
 
Jones should have ducked that high kick like he is ducking Tom
Are you kidding? That high kick was toe tips to skull, and the toe tips lose that battle every time. Just ask Ciryl Gane, who only managed to hit ribs with his toe tips. That kick definitely did more damage to Reyes than to Jones.

You want to land that kick with the shin or the ball of the foot, and it's okay to land it with the top of the foot, but when you land it with the tips of your toes you lose badly.
 
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jones/reyes for biggest robbery.
reyes dominated the entire fight. a blind man could see beating jones took.
 
The Texas rules even require the evaluation of defensive technique, which means that making your opponent miss (strongly in favor of Jones over Reyes every round but round three) is part of what gets evaluated, although there's no requirement (or ban on) that it be weighed highly.
Wow, you’re completely right. The Texas rules are a bit wonky. Based on the criteria set out by the rules of Texas, Jones winning shouldn’t be controversial. It’s weird how some states hadnt adopted the same judging criteria as others at that time.
 
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You realize fights are judged by rounds right? Not by total punch stats at the end. Also if you want to talk punch stats santos threw almost double the amount jones did
Seriously?

Jones landed more strikes than Santos in each of rounds two through five, landing 37% more strikes overall even including round one. Santos landed at an astoundingly bad 25% clip while Jones was landing at a 65% rate, an absurd 2.6 times better than Santos. Mostly Santos was gassing himself out throwing strikes that missed by a mile. Santos's striking stats for this match are some of the worst you'll ever see - 9 of 92 on head strikes! - while Jones's were pretty good albeit modest in total volume.

Any per-round stats-only argument has to result in a 49-46 score for Jones in this fight.
 
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I'm a big GSP fanboy.

But I scored it 48-47 Hendricks. I've rewatched this fight many times, and yeah Hendricks won.

The Jones fight I scored 48-47 Jones, but I'm not entirely sure of that and haven't seen the fight since it happened.
48-47 could never be the biggest robbery in mma history
 
Round 1 of Hendricks vs GSP was a robbery? Really?

If you want to argue Johnny clearly did more damage to GSP and that should matter, I won't argue it but like, did you really look at round 1 and say either guy clearly won it? I don't get this "robbery" stuff. Hendricks arguably won, as did Reyes I believe. The fights were close though and there are far, far, far more egregious decisions than either of these 2 fights.

Carlos Condit at worst, won 4 rounds against Lawler and didn't walk away champion. I think you're really stretching to give Lawler 3 rounds. I think it's a pretty big stretch to even give him 2.

That's unquestionably a worse decision than either of these fights.
 
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