GSP is my favorite fighter. And I was shocked when he won that fight. Like jaw drop shocked. I watched it again a couple years later, and I could see how he won. I really think that after watching gsp just manhandling everyone for soo long, just seeing him look human and struggle was enough of a shock for people to think he lost.
Just go look at mmadecisions.com. Not a single media outlet scored the fight for GSP. Jones got 1/3rd of the media outlets saying he won.
"Media" are just fans with a blog. Someone earlier in this thread posted some "media" opinions from Bleacher Report where one media member talked about giving scores for things that aren't in any scoring criteria and another said she thought Jones won the last 2 rounds so handily, that it means he won. They're fucking idiots.
They are fans now and are idiots because it does not meet your narrative. Scott and Kelsey gave credible reasons why jones could have won the fight as well as other media outlets. Before you were on here talking about media outlets and fans scoring the fight and using it as a metric to talk about GSP, Hendricks, Jones and Reyes and what was the bigger robbery. You even had a chart of how fans saw it
Indeed. The only appropriate scorecard for GSP vs. Hendricks is 48-45 GSP because a round where a stoppage was warranted is a 10-7 round.
you posted a fan scoring stats.post the official stats.fans decide by feelings but not facts.ofcourse people love gsp more than jonesAdding onto this, since I directly compared these 2 fights "as robberies" before in another thread, I'm just gonna pull the post from there::
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Could I have been thinking of GSP vs Hendricks?
Hmm..?
Nah, I am thinking of Jones-Reyes.
You wanna talk about close rounds? Which rounds went to Jon exactly, cuz I'm confused.
I give Jon 2 rounds, but which 3rd should I give him? They all just look so delicious.
See, this is what a split looks like.
Hmm, maybe the stats will clear things up.
Yup, those definitely look like close rounds. Total strikes and attempetd volume vs significant strikes are similar or flipped, control time with takedowns split attention. Makes sense.
Ok, so we can identify close rounds. Let's see the close rounds with Jones
You see in the first 3 rounds, the significant strikes are all so clo..
DOM +6
DOM +11
DOM +7
..wait no. Well, even if the significant strikes have a wide margin, I'm sure the total strikes and attempted volume must have made up the diff..
DOM +6 / +32
DOM +11 / +31
DOM +7 / +11
..oh no. I mean, where the strikes land is important too, so maybe Dom was just doing legwork while Jon surpassed him in combined head & body strikes to close the ga-
DOM +11
DOM +10
DOM +8
shit.. Well, Jon is one of the best wrestlers in MMA, I'm sure his successful takedowns and control time stole some ro-
JON 0/2 0 sec
JON 0/0 0 sec
JON 0/2 15 sec
... Oh... Well, there's always a difference of power and clean connections. Maybe the biggest moments of the rounds were Jones'? If you take a look at the UFC's post-round highlights in round 3, I'm sure we'll fin-
Ah.. yeah, no. I don't think there's much of an argument that Jones should have won.
I don’t believe fan voting is too accurate either. Bloggers at least do their best to remain unbiased. Fans almost always vote for who they like as opposed to what happened. Jon is one of the most disliked people in the sport. GSP is a beloved figure in the sport. I highly doubt fans are voting unbiasedly when it comes to situations like these. Look at how many people on this forum swear it’s a clear decision either way. No matter who one believes won Joens vs Reyes, or GSP vs Hendricks it’s is obvious those are close fights.
Wrong. I ALWAYS have appealed to fan scores alone and still do, and I just listed why the media metrics weren't good, and all you're saying is they were without any kind of rebuttal
The media never meant anything and I did not use their scores as reference before. You apparently don't know what my views are, already made clear by how many of my responses to you had to start with "What are you talking about?" and asking you for stats that you left unanswered, while constantly ignoring my points about the strike differential and what is in the scoring criteria by continuing to talk about accuracy after it was pointed out as both irrelevant AND in Dom's favor in the swing round we were discussing because out of the two of us, YOU were the one constantly moving goal posts to fit YOUR narrative. That's why the conversation is done, because your car apparently has no mirrors and can't move forward
They are under NO means unbiased (Off the top of my head, the Brazil/Globosports were always incredibly biased, Jed Meshew specifically says he uses his own scoring system cuz he's a troll media member who wants to be a special snowflake, Wrestling Observer is a CONSTANT outlier because of how they score differently than everyone, the list goes on). All they are are a smaller sample size of ignorance so they skew percentages far greater. They also mostly don't provide round by round scores either, so they leave nothing to evaluate.
The Hendricks fight was a head scratcher at the end when they said gsp won and raised his hands I think everyone was in disbelief ..
The media metrics are fine, you just talk too much.
I was confused at the reading of Hendricks-GSP scores. I was appalled by the Reyes-Jones one. I just rewatched the supposed "swing" round less than a month ago, counting strikes and accounting for impact, and it's pretty clear Reyes won it. "Gotta give it to him" sounds like the philosophy of those idiots who think close stuff goes to the champ. That's not you, is it? I would assume it isn't, because it feels like you'd have to apply that to GSP-Hendricks round 1 as well.
You listen too little. You've responded to posts of mine before the time necessary to comprehend them. It's pretty obvious from your first sentence and every response you've given that you don't care to read, so I'm not sure why I need to be the one doing all the lifting in every response.
FTFY
