Elections Biggest lesson for Democrats heading into 2021: Pelosi and Schumer must go

[kahiljabroni]

Ugh. Because class recognition of those issues is the only way to resolve them. So long as we have persons like yourselves who are convinced to actively support those class-relevant issues out of social politics, they will continue to go unresolved. Also, I do fine.



Yes, obviously. I have serious doubts that the party can ever become virtuous enough to eliminate the issues entirely, but they're definitely more serious about it than their GOP counterparts.

We can take these issues one-by-one.

(1) Political bribery - Democrats have repeatedly tried to address campaign finance corruption and have repeatedly been reversed by conservatives in the judiciary. Even the most modest campaign finance regime that lasted form the 1970s to 2009 was stricken by the conservative bench and, along the way, Republicans reversed campaign disclosure requirements as well. Specifically, Mitch McConnell himself sued the FEC.

(2) Progressive income taxation - Again, this is really easy to peg down. Democrats have tried to make the national income tax more progressive (raising rates for the rich and lowering rates for the poor) and Republicans have fought and reversed that in every administration for the past forty years.

(3) Tax avoidance by the rich - Once again, Democrats have tried to tackle this issue, were successful through the mid-century, and have had some modest success since then. But Republican legislatures, presidents, and Supreme Court Justices have repeatedly hamstringed efforts and ruled unconstitutional, permitting the rich to further skirt paying their fair share.



I don't even know what this means. "Corporate America" doesn't really mean anything. Corporations are not human entities.

Republican policies permit corporations and the rich to endlessly bribe politicians and lobby for their interests in government. Democratic policies have tried to reverse that. Full stop.

Why are you trying to turn this into a Trump vs. Biden discussion?

It sounds like all of your concerns revolve around corporate influence on our political system. K Street and lobbyists just voted 97% for your party. Digest it

 

[Rod1]

and in the primaries Hispanic voters went heavy for Bernie....

Hispanics like populists, i dont think most hispanics are about social issues.

Economically they are more likely to support Bernie or 2016 Trump.

 

[58miles]

Biggest lesson for democrats is to stop with the propaganda, stop making up stuff like systemic racism out of thin air, stop burning and looting major cities, stop calling people racist who don't vote left and stop trying to cancel everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion.

That would be a pretty good step in the right direction.

In fact the biggest lesson for the Democrats is to realize that they need to get their shit together and come up with an effective answer to the right wing propaganda machine. The same propaganda machine that convinces millions of naive and stupid Americans that a lazy, whiny, immature, corrupt, stupid, out of shape, 6x bankrupt, bone spur having, orange tinted reality tv host. Is in reality instead a vigorous, hard working, honest, take charge, wildly successful real estate developer who is going to MAGA. If the Democrats don't come up with an answer then the right wing propaganda machine then they are going to be stuck forever doing nothing more than playing defense.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

In fact the biggest lesson for the Democrats is to realize that they need to get their shit together and come up with an effective answer to the right wing propaganda machine. The same propaganda machine that convinces millions of naive and stupid Americans that a lazy, whiny, immature, corrupt, stupid, out of shape, 6x bankrupt, bone spur having, orange tinted reality tv host. Is in reality instead a vigorous, hard working, honest, take charge, wildly successful real estate developer who is going to MAGA. If the Democrats don't come up with an answer then the right wing propaganda machine then they are going to be stuck forever doing nothing more than playing defense.

Trump may have said a lot of stupid shit but his actual running of the country was damn good and most of you know it.

Where does this propaganda machine come from? If I remember right, all of the MSM other than Fox is liberal and all of the tech companies are liberal as well. Your post can be directly correlated to left wing propaganda.

 

[ocfightfan]

We must settle for nothing less than America's rotting corpse. All that freedom horseshit and prosperity garbage must go. Hard work and discipline must be punished and criminals, bums, grifters, perverts and freaks must not only get an equal share but be free to rip off, bully, and terrorize decent people.

This is progressive America. Dost thou renounce white males and all their works?

 

[LuchaBear]

On topic

Obsessed with power.

 

[funcrusher2007]

I think a bigger lesson for democrats is

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...ps-making-homelessness-worse/?sh=285a87295a61

Your ideology sucks. Re invent yourselves before the rest of the United States turns into California.

We won,get over it

 

[12ga.]

You know Trotsky is crazy when Nancy Pelosi isn't radical enough for him

Only people dumber than blame-shifting DNC-suck hacks like Trots who keep up the trump trump trump drumbeat and want desperately to distract from the democrats' egregious and unconscionable failures and capitulations to their scumbag donors are RNC suck hacks who fail to realize we are the only industrial county w/o universal health care and 74% on Fox News polls want it. You both live in a dream world.

 

[Here's the thing]

...and be replaced by progressives with a bold and class-infused platform.

Running against an historically unpopular president and the single most openly corrupt and unprincipled major party in modern history, congressional Democrats underperformed in every Senate race. In losses in Maine, Iowa, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia, Democrats underperformed polls by an average of 5 points.

No More Chuck and Nancy
The Democrats might escape with a presidential win, but one thing is clear: congressional leadership needs to go.

The votes are still being counted and we’re still trying to figure out what exactly happened, but one thing so far is undeniable: Election Night was a colossal failure for Senate and House Democrats.

In the Senate, Democratic candidates blew prime pickup opportunities in Iowa, Maine, and North Carolina, and lit hundreds of millions of dollars on fire to lose by double digits in Kentucky and South Carolina while underfunding candidates such as Raphael Warnock, the Atlanta pastor who now appears to be the Democrats’ best hope for salvaging a 50-50 majority should Joe Biden win the presidency.



In the House, an expected increase in the Democrats’ margins from 2018 rapidly went south as the night wore on, and the Democrats could actually lose five to ten seats by the time the cycle is over. Conservative incumbents lost, progressive challengers lost—it was an all-around disaster, and now the House has a much thinner majority that’s in extreme jeopardy in 2022, considering the wave of gerrymandering that’s about to be enacted in swing states all over the country because downballot Democrats also failed miserably.



There’s a lot of blame to go around for all of this, but two of the main problems are clear: Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and the entire Democratic Senate and House leadership.

Schumer has been integral to Democratic recruitment efforts in the past two cycles, and each time they’ve come up dramatically short. That might have been excusable in 2018, when the map was extremely favorable for Republicans, but this year it was not—in addition to Colorado and Arizona, the Democrats should have won North Carolina, Iowa, and at the very least Maine. Surprise: they did not win any of those last three.

The biggest miss might have been in North Carolina. There, Democrat Cal Cunningham—a horny ding-dong with no charisma to speak of, who was recruited by the DSCC for the second time in ten years owing to his sterling track record of one term spent as a state senator in the year 2001—enjoyed a 4 percent cushion from third-party conservative candidates against incumbent Sen. Thom Tillis, but ran way behind Biden and will likely manage to lose by tens of thousands of votes.

In the House, the New York Times currently has Democrats losing all of the lean Republican districts, 24 of the 27 toss-up districts, and having lost three of the seats that were seen as leaning towards the Democrats.

What this means is simple. Schumer and Pelosi have got to go—from leadership, from their seats in Congress, from politics altogether. Catherine Cortez-Masto and Cheri Bustos, the heads of the Democratic campaign committees, have also got to go. They again bet the entire house on Sane Republicans giving them a smooth path to power and they again failed, even with 230,000-plus people dead and an economy in the tank. This is a fuck-up far beyond Mitch McConnell’s wildest dreams, and this is how it works when you don’t follow through on the job people sent you to D.C. to do—you lose that job.

They should be replaced with someone who actually understands that class is the key to why this keeps happening, why their relationship with suburbanites is at best tenuous and why Trump’s increasing margins with Latinx voters in South Texas of all places is an existential crisis. Bernie Sanders is never going to win that leadership election, but Sherrod Brown, Tammy Baldwin, Jeff Merkely—any of them could do this job way better than the current Senate leadership.

As for the House, moderate Democrats are already floating Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, who hates the left way more on a visceral level than Pelosi, as an alternative should she step down. (Pelosi needs two-thirds of the caucus’s support, after a deal she made to become speaker for a second time in 2018.) House progressives need to find their own candidate to rally behind and fast. They’re already starting to get the blame for this shit, with anonymous centrist Democrats grumbling to whoever will pick up the phone at Politico that the notion that Democrats were “socialists” is what killed them despite the fact that Joe Biden devoted a large chunk of his primary campaign and a decent portion of his general bashing socialism. The party can do no wrong; it can only be done wrong.

The Democratic Party approaches elections as a set of opportunities for consulting contracts, and while this year won’t be the final nail in the coffin, Tuesday’s results portend deeply worrying trends for anyone who doesn’t want this country to be ruled by a coalition of fascists and austerity hawks. And in order for things to improve, the Democrats have got to find new leadership, from people who haven’t been groomed for leadership by the very same people who are failing us right now.

https://discourseblog.com/chuck-schumer-nancy-pelosi-2020-resign
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I used to really dislike Trotsky for being the liberal trash can that he is. But now I love him. I hope all liberals listen to him and people like AOC. If it weren't for them, the socialist movement may have actually gone somewhere in this election.

KEEP preaching Trotsky! Make sure everyone gets your message!!!

Go out on street corners and hold signs that say things like "WE NEED PROGRESSIVE CHANGE NOW!" and "AMERICA IS A COUNTRY OF RACIST BIGOTS!" See if you can get AOC to run for president in 2024 as well.

 

[helltoupee]

Trump may have said a lot of stupid shit but his actual running of the country was damn good and most of you know it.

Trump didn't do much of anything besides cut taxes for the rich, shoot the deficit into the stratosphere, and make a lot of empty promises.

More specifically though, I'm wondering if you can detail for me what Trump specifically did that impacted your life in a positive way?

About the only thing you got is "cut taxes", which is not a valid answer. Lowering payroll withholding tables so people are under the illusion that they are all of a sudden making an extra $120 on their paycheck is not cutting taxes. It's cutting how much you are estimating you are going to owe at the end of the year.

Furthermore, assuming you are middle class, most any minor tax advantages you may have seen will all disappear in 2025 when the bill comes due for all of that reckless spending. And guess who gets to keep their changes permanently? You guessed it.

It's as if Trump and 2 of his rich friends sat down at a dinner table with 98 other people, proceeded to consume almost 70% of the entire meal for themselves, while 98 people divide up a 30% portion, and then when the bill comes due, Trump and his 2 buddies get up from the table and leave, sticking it to everyone else. That, in a nutshell, is the very essence of actual Republican policy.

You perform a self-own every time you align with anything Republican. Don't believe me? Care to make a list of all Republican policy enacted, or existing policies challenged/rescinded, within the last 40 years? Ya. I didn't think so.

Oh. I almost forgot. While Bitch Mcconnell was crying about how how many peanuts to throw the rubes during a pandemic, they worked on real important stuff like removing congressional discretionary spending limits - basically telling the taxpayers that there should be no oversight from anyone as to how they spend our money.

 

[KeepingItReal]

Trump didn't do much of anything besides cut taxes for the rich, shoot the deficit into the stratosphere, and make a lot of empty promises.

More specifically though, I'm wondering if you can detail for me what Trump specifically did that impacted your life in a positive way?

About the only thing you got is "cut taxes", which is not a valid answer. Lowering payroll withholding tables so people are under the illusion that they are all of a sudden making an extra $120 on their paycheck is not cutting taxes. It's cutting how much you are estimating you are going to owe at the end of the year.

Furthermore, assuming you are middle class, most any minor tax advantages you may have seen will all disappear in 2025 when the bill comes due for all of that reckless spending. And guess who gets to keep their changes permanently? You guessed it.

It's as if Trump and 2 of his rich friends sat down at a dinner table with 98 other people, proceeded to consume almost 70% of the entire meal for themselves, while 98 people divide up a 30% portion, and then when the bill comes due, Trump and his 2 buddies get up from the table and leave, sticking it to everyone else. That, in a nutshell, is the very essence of actual Republican policy.

You perform a self-own every time you align with anything Republican. Don't believe me? Care to make a list of all Republican policy enacted, or existing policies challenged/rescinded, within the last 40 years? Ya. I didn't think so.

Oh. I almost forgot. While Bitch Mcconnell was crying about how how many peanuts to throw the rubes during a pandemic, they worked on real important stuff like removing congressional discretionary spending limits - basically telling the taxpayers that there should be no oversight from anyone as to how they spend our money.

Just my 2 cents.

It cut my taxes and I am by no means a rich guy. $12,000 Standard deduction vs a little over $6000 wouldn't be what I consider "not much of anything" I also didn't have to pay a fee for not having health insurance. The payroll tax thing was unnecessary in my opinion but I don't mind it.

But why limit it to 40 years, why not go all the way back? You wanna skip the good stuff?

That's good, I am happy to hear that they removed spending limits.

 

[Sad Dad]

fuck the entire old dem gaurd including pelosi who is a centrist flip flopping hack. This goes for biden too. I'm hoping biden puts some people on his cabinet that will take the fight to the senate and the house but I'm not holding out hope.