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[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Wrong DC said that and absolutely couldnt keep his laugh in because he knew it was a lie. He even said I'm about to be a liar up here I definitely got paid more. Now that this fallacy is debunked let's address the fallacy that this fight wouldnt draw more than both Jones and Frank's typical numbers. Its horseshit and you know it

Maybe I misremembered

Idk whether it would draw more or not, if it does, just negotiate PPV points, which Jon himself said the UFC was willing to give him. He wants more money upfront because he knows there's a chance it won't draw what he wants.

 

[And Erson Ilva]

This is what keeps the UFC bush league. No financial incentive for guys to do anything but the safest possible thing for their career. They know they can win 12 in a row and have nothing to really show for it like Tony, and in the flip side; lose once badly and lose all your leverage.

It’s simply not gonna result in a consistently good product.

 

[Soul_Snatcher]

lmao every fighters wants to get that bag now, cant blame them, they fight for peanuts compared to boxers. ufc needs to step their game up

 

[Al Stone]

Maybe I misremembered

Idk whether it would draw more or not, if it does, just negotiate PPV points, which Jon himself said the UFC was willing to give him. He wants more money upfront because he knows there's a chance it won't draw what he wants.

If you dont know whether it would draw or not let me help you here. It absolutely would. Every Jones hater and fan along with casuals would be on the edge of seat seeing Jones at HW against a big monster. Jones probably already gets PPV points so that argument is moot. There is also zero evidence supporting him being offered a far greater cut of them. That is something parroted on sherdog but has zero merit. This would be easily top 3 ppv of the past 5 years

 

[Stagliano]

Once he will face real competition like Derrick Lewis, Naganou will show the world he didnt evolve and is just there to make champions shine.
Dude will never touch a belt but is cocky like he won NbA's MVP ten years in a row.

You are right, JDS, Blaydes and Jairzinho aren't real competition.

For sake that board is full of retard.

 

[Volador]

The proper comparison is to boxing not other sports leagues.

The UFC pays out a fraction of what boxing promoters are required to by law and deliberately tries to suppress salaries to keep fighters in line.

In boxing, if a fight equivalent to Jones/Ngannou were being pitched, the networks and powerplayers behind the scenes would be falling over themselves to guarantee their purses so that they could make it happen and profit from the excess revenue.

I agree with you. The reason I mentioned the other leagues was in response to STG saying that other players were negotiating their contracts down, and I was trying to explain why it might make sense for them, but not for UFC fighters.

Interesting, it seems boxing is more sophisticated in this regard, and if one promoter doesn't want to make the fights others can come and bid on the fighters' purses and the best offer gets to make the fight. We don't really have that in MMA. Would be cool if Coker could step in and make an offer if Dana didn't want to put the fight on. Not sure if this could be solved or changed somehow, but a fighter's association might help.

Jones has been a solid draw for 10 years so even though your post is well written without that context you arent calling it what it is. The UFC doesnt want that fight

He's a draw in relative terms.

He drew well vs DC (about 800k buys) but all his other fights have sold less. So, he's somewhat of a draw among the current roster, but he's not close to GSP/Ronda/Conor/Brock levels. I'm not sure how known Ngannou is among the non-hardcore fans.

https://www.tapology.com/search/mma-event-figures/ppv-pay-per-view-buys-buyrate

Yeah it's hard to say much w/o knowing actual numbers

I agree that's what they think, and overall fighters should definitely get paid more... that being said this isn't the NFL where people watch the Superbowl regardless of the teams involved... prize fighting is a totally different business... it's closer to pro wrestling than the NFL. You have to be a draw, and if you aren't, you aren't gonna get paid what you want.

Also Jon would probably be a huge PPV star if he hadn't fucked up so many times, remember when dude had a Nike sponsorship? It felt like he was our Tiger Woods, but the mainstream kinda forgot about him.

True, it's not that big, but I was just reading that the UFC was estimating to make 700-1b in gross revenue. Expenses look to be 400m according to this:

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/9/9/20851990/what-we-now-know-about-the-ufc-finances

So it would be cool if Dana was willing to spend some extra cash in order to get these crazy super fights. They would still turn a profit, but I wonder if they're worried about setting some sort of precedent and then having several champions trying to do the same.

Apparently Jon has disclosed career earnings of 7-8m + PPV points+ sponsorships. So let's say all in all 15-20m? So DC saying that Jon could easily get 7-8m + PPV points sounds unrealistic. Either the UFC is paying insane amounts of undisclosed money, or Jon is full of shit, or DC was shilling hard for the company.

 

[Al Stone]

I agree with you. The reason I mentioned the other leagues was in response to STG saying that other players were negotiating their contracts down, and I was trying to explain why it might make sense for them, but not for UFC fighters.

Interesting, it seems boxing is more sophisticated in this regard, and if one promoter doesn't want to make the fights others can come and bid on the fighters' purses and the best offer gets to make the fight. We don't really have that in MMA. Would be cool if Coker could step in and make an offer if Dana didn't want to put the fight on. Not sure if this could be solved or changed somehow, but a fighter's association might help.



He's a draw in relative terms.

He drew well vs DC (about 800k buys) but all his other fights have sold less. So, he's somewhat of a draw among the current roster, but he's not close to GSP/Ronda/Conor/Brock levels. I'm not sure how known Ngannou is among the non-hardcore fans.

https://www.tapology.com/search/mma-event-figures/ppv-pay-per-view-buys-buyrate



True, it's not that big, but I was just reading that the UFC was estimating to make 700-1b in gross revenue. Expenses look to be 400m according to this:

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/9/9/20851990/what-we-now-know-about-the-ufc-finances

So it would be cool if Dana was willing to spend some extra cash in order to get these crazy super fights. They would still turn a profit, but I wonder if they're worried about setting some sort of precedent and then having several champions trying to do the same.

Apparently Jon has disclosed career earnings of 7-8m + PPV points+ sponsorships. So let's say all in all 15-20m? So DC saying that Jon could easily get 7-8m + PPV points sounds unrealistic. Either the UFC is paying insane amounts of undisclosed money, or Jon is full of shit, or DC was shilling hard for the company.

Considering he has remained a top 3-5 draw during and after the rise and fall of everyone you mentioned he.is very much a draw. So much so that towards the middle of his reign the ufc was selling very well with trash cards with Jones headlining. They did so until he refused to headline yet another trash card on short notice With all the great inventions one can create why reinvent history

 

[Volador]

Considering he has remained a top 3-5 draw during and after the rise and fall of everyone you mentioned he.is very much a draw. So much so that towards the middle of his reign the ufc was selling very well with trash cards with Jones headlining. They did so until he refused to headline yet another trash card on short notice With all the great inventions one can create why reinvent history

Lol, did you read?

I said he was indeed a draw, relatively speaking. The biggest fight (Conor vs Khabib) sold 2.4mil, Jones' best is 860k, so aprox 1/3. None of his fights are in the top 10. I'm not saying he's not a draw, but he wants the kind of money Conor gets, and by UFC standards, he doesn't draw like Conor at all. I still think they should give it to him, I'm just trying to understand the UFC's logic.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

I think Francis has a legit claim at making more money not for this fight but for any fight.

His last 4 fights have been against guys that could easily have be fighting for the belt. He is basically cleaning the division while not making championship money.

 

[Al Stone]

Lol, did you read?

I said he was indeed a draw, relatively speaking. The biggest fight (Conor vs Khabib) sold 2.4mil, Jones' best is 860k, so aprox 1/3. None of his fights are in the top 10. I'm not saying he's not a draw, but he wants the kind of money Conor gets, and by UFC standards, he doesn't draw like Conor at all. I still think they should give it to him, I'm just trying to understand the UFC's logic.

Do you foresee or has Conor ever fought 4 times a year while maintaining drawing power and winning? So basically while some fighters have gaudy single fight numbers RELATIVELY as you say, Jones CAREER PPV numbers at this point are under only GSP Andy and maybe Ronda. Relatively being mentioned in that pack and having higher overall career numbers than mega-stars means the narrative that his drawing power is why the ufc will not pay a penny more for his super fight is hot trash