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Media Big Frank wants that bank

I am so shocked at the discrepancies in numbers.
DC was saying that 5-7 millions was a very reasonnable amount for Jones and the UFC wouldn't hesitate to pay that.
On the other hand Ngannou said in his last podcast with Tyson that the most he ever had for a fight was half a million.

I highly doubt Ngannou is asking for more than 1.5millions (already a very big check though).

For a fight of this magnitude 1.5m for NGannou is peanuts as is 5m for Jones. They could afford to pay 5m and 15m realistically and still make tons of profit. Why do you think boxers who generate equal numbers make so much more? Wilder vs Fury they both took home in excess of 20m.
 
It's one of the best fights to make right now, but the fucked up thing is that with the UFC's current model, there's no way they'll pay them what they're demanding, especially Jon. I think Frank could be negotiated.

They're not gonna make Conor-Khabib numbers, but they want that kinda money. Not that they shouldn't, but I doubt we'll ever see this.
It's hard to know who's right or wrong because none of the numbers are out there

That being said sometimes these guys think a fight is bigger than it is if they're so confident it pulls money then take the PPV points

There isn't an athlete in any sports league rn trying to renegotiate their contract for more money lol, they're actually all renegotiating for less, yet Jon wants more just to move up a weight class
 




Countdown to Dana coming out and giving an interview to TMZ Sports about Ngannou's ego being out of control.

"Listen...we came to Frances with a contract to fight Jones. Jon wanted this fight...he signed the contract so it came down to him. Him and his manager refused to sign the fight and demanded more money. I said listen, if you want to get paid in this company you need to beat the fuckin best. Right now, Jones is arguably the greatest of all time. You beat a guy like him and the money follows. Ngannou just didn't want this fuckin fight to happen. Jones was all about it." -Dana probably at some point.
 
It's hard to know who's right or wrong because none of the numbers are out there

That being said sometimes these guys think a fight is bigger than it is if they're so confident it pulls money then take the PPV points

There isn't an athlete in any sports league rn trying to renegotiate their contract for more money lol, they're actually all renegotiating for less, yet Jon wants more just to move up a weight class

I think it's different because in most sports leagues, the players receive annual salaries, and they have player's associations or unions, so even the lowest level players have a guaranteed salary and the salaries are much higher.

I also don't think they get exclusive contracts where they can't sign with sponsors outside the sport (this might vary in different sports). They might negotiate now in order to help the club employees survive and get paid, but they're paid much more than fighters, and they don't depend on single events to get paid because they have salaries. If a fighter starts training for a fight and it gets cancelled, they're basically fucked, so they're getting into a much bigger risk.

I'm sure that if the PPV points offer was extremely juicy ($5 per PPV or something) Jon would take it. We don't really know what the number is, so it's hard to tell. I think what happens with guys like Jon or DJ is that they feel they are GOATs (which they are), but the UFC only cares about #s and marketability, so it doesn't matter to them as far as pay goes.

It would be nice if the UFC took exceptions with GOAT fighters, champions and superfights and paid them extra for this kind of challenge, unfortunately they only do that with guys with exceptional drawing power. It's too bad because I think they'd still make a bunch of money, but apparently WME is in huge debt and they might not want the word to get out there and have everyone asking for more money, but I'm just speculating.
 
Sounds like Francis and Jon are friends and decided to see how much they can get out of the UFC for a fight.

That's why the fight will not happen. They are bother overpricing themselves according to Dana's logic
OR and it's just a possibility so bear with me. They both know it's a HUGE fight and want to get paid very well for it and you are dumb as an oyster. Thoughts.
 
Francis and Jon on the same page, trying to get paid


Where are all the people calling Frank a duck here? He’s asking for the same thing that Jon asked for. A raise.
not only that, but it is obviously a MONEY fight.
Ngannou is already the top contender by merrit.
If he fights Jon, it is a huge risk with absolutely no upside (other than monetary).
It would make absolutely no sense for Francis to accept this fight for the same money he'd get against another HW.
 
It's hard to know who's right or wrong because none of the numbers are out there

That being said sometimes these guys think a fight is bigger than it is if they're so confident it pulls money then take the PPV points

There isn't an athlete in any sports league rn trying to renegotiate their contract for more money lol, they're actually all renegotiating for less, yet Jon wants more just to move up a weight class
I wouldnt take it for no damn PPV points which Jon probably gets already. They deserve more upfront than usual for this fight. Trying to claim otherwise is foolhardy
 
What ??? They really wanted to pay Francis the same amount that for his Jair fight ? Lmao ! What a fucking disrespect ! Francis is not fighting Tony the local plumber. He's fighting the n°1 P4P for almost 7 years. That fight could be a big draw. If Dana want to wait for the end of the pandemic, ok. But man those who are shitting on Jones and Francis for not taking the 300K deal are ridiculous.
You can't open negotiations by giving the other guy everything he wants, lol.
 
I think it's different because in most sports leagues, the players receive annual salaries, and they have player's associations or unions, so even the lowest level players have a guaranteed salary and the salaries are much higher.

I also don't think they get exclusive contracts where they can't sign with sponsors outside the sport (this might vary in different sports). They might negotiate now in order to help the club employees survive and get paid, but they're paid much more than fighters, and they don't depend on single events to get paid because they have salaries. If a fighter starts training for a fight and it gets cancelled, they're basically fucked, so they're getting into a much bigger risk.

I'm sure that if the PPV points offer was extremely juicy ($5 per PPV or something) Jon would take it. We don't really know what the number is, so it's hard to tell. I think what happens with guys like Jon or DJ is that they feel they are GOATs (which they are), but the UFC only cares about #s and marketability, so it doesn't matter to them as far as pay goes.

It would be nice if the UFC took exceptions with GOAT fighters, champions and superfights and paid them extra for this kind of challenge, unfortunately they only do that with guys with exceptional drawing power. It's too bad because I think they'd still make a bunch of money, but apparently WME is in huge debt and they might not want the word to get out there and have everyone asking for more money, but I'm just speculating.



The proper comparison is to boxing not other sports leagues.

The UFC pays out a fraction of what boxing promoters are required to by law and deliberately tries to suppress salaries to keep fighters in line.

In boxing, if a fight equivalent to Jones/Ngannou were being pitched, the networks and powerplayers behind the scenes would be falling over themselves to guarantee their purses so that they could make it happen and profit from the excess revenue.
 
I think it's different because in most sports leagues, the players receive annual salaries, and they have player's associations or unions, so even the lowest level players have a guaranteed salary and the salaries are much higher.

I also don't think they get exclusive contracts where they can't sign with sponsors outside the sport (this might vary in different sports). They might negotiate now in order to help the club employees survive and get paid, but they're paid much more than fighters, and they don't depend on single events to get paid because they have salaries. If a fighter starts training for a fight and it gets cancelled, they're basically fucked, so they're getting into a much bigger risk.

I'm sure that if the PPV points offer was extremely juicy ($5 per PPV or something) Jon would take it. We don't really know what the number is, so it's hard to tell. I think what happens with guys like Jon or DJ is that they feel they are GOATs (which they are), but the UFC only cares about #s and marketability, so it doesn't matter to them as far as pay goes.

It would be nice if the UFC took exceptions with GOAT fighters, champions and superfights and paid them extra for this kind of challenge, unfortunately they only do that with guys with exceptional drawing power. It's too bad because I think they'd still make a bunch of money, but apparently WME is in huge debt and they might not want the word to get out there and have everyone asking for more money, but I'm just speculating.
Jones has been a solid draw for 10 years so even though your post is well written without that context you arent calling it what it is. The UFC doesnt want that fight
 
Francis and Jon on the same page, trying to get paid


Where are all the people calling Frank a duck here? He’s asking for the same thing that Jon asked for. A raise.

i'm pretty sure he gets paid a lot less than Jon Jones, so obviously he wants a kickback for fighting the greatest LHW the UFC has ever seen. why should Jon get a raise? because Ngannou is big? he has no accolades or special status, the only thing different from Ngannou and anyone else Jon fought is weight.

i guarantee Jon is asking for a ridiculous amount compared to what Ngannou wants.
 
I think it's different because in most sports leagues, the players receive annual salaries, and they have player's associations or unions, so even the lowest level players have a guaranteed salary and the salaries are much higher.

I also don't think they get exclusive contracts where they can't sign with sponsors outside the sport (this might vary in different sports). They might negotiate now in order to help the club employees survive and get paid, but they're paid much more than fighters, and they don't depend on single events to get paid because they have salaries. If a fighter starts training for a fight and it gets cancelled, they're basically fucked, so they're getting into a much bigger risk.

I'm sure that if the PPV points offer was extremely juicy ($5 per PPV or something) Jon would take it. We don't really know what the number is, so it's hard to tell. I think what happens with guys like Jon or DJ is that they feel they are GOATs (which they are), but the UFC only cares about #s and marketability, so it doesn't matter to them as far as pay goes.

It would be nice if the UFC took exceptions with GOAT fighters, champions and superfights and paid them extra for this kind of challenge, unfortunately they only do that with guys with exceptional drawing power. It's too bad because I think they'd still make a bunch of money, but apparently WME is in huge debt and they might not want the word to get out there and have everyone asking for more money, but I'm just speculating.
Yeah it's hard to say much w/o knowing actual numbers

I agree that's what they think, and overall fighters should definitely get paid more... that being said this isn't the NFL where people watch the Superbowl regardless of the teams involved... prize fighting is a totally different business... it's closer to pro wrestling than the NFL. You have to be a draw, and if you aren't, you aren't gonna get paid what you want.

Also Jon would probably be a huge PPV star if he hadn't fucked up so many times, remember when dude had a Nike sponsorship? It felt like he was our Tiger Woods, but the mainstream kinda forgot about him.
 
I wouldnt take it for no damn PPV points which Jon probably gets already. They deserve more upfront than usual for this fight. Trying to claim otherwise is foolhardy
Do they deserve more upfront, even if they do the same numbers that Jon vs Jan would do?
 
Do they deserve more upfront, even if they do the same numbers that Jon vs Jan would do?
Let's assess this. Does the unquestionable LHW GOAT who is also a proven draw regardless if you like him or not deserve more upfront for taking a fight against who is considered the strongest and number 2 HW. That's a real tough one. Let me get back to you. To difficult a question
 
Let's assess this. Does the unquestionable LHW GOAT who is also a proven draw regardless if you like him or not deserve more upfront for taking a fight against who is considered the strongest and number 2 HW. That's a real tough one. Let me get back to you. To difficult a question
He's a proven draw to a degree, he signed his current contract knowing the level of draw he is. The point is, Francis doesn't necessarily draw that much more than any other opponent and considering there is no live gate, it's tough for Jon to negotiate more money.

DC said when he went up to HW he didn't get paid more, he thought that was silly lol
 
He's a proven draw to a degree, he signed his current contract knowing the level of draw he is. The point is, Francis doesn't necessarily draw that much more than any other opponent and considering there is no live gate, it's tough for Jon to negotiate more money.

DC said when he went up to HW he didn't get paid more, he thought that was silly lol
Wrong DC said that and absolutely couldnt keep his laugh in because he knew it was a lie. He even said I'm about to be a liar up here I definitely got paid more. Now that this fallacy is debunked let's address the fallacy that this fight wouldnt draw more than both Jones and Frank's typical numbers. Its horseshit and you know it
 
All it would take is for a couple dozen fighters to have this attitude and sit out for a bit and Dana would change his tune on the pay issue. Wouldn't you love to see Dana's response if it actually happened. (I know, it won't)
100% would love to see this happen even though it would be extremely unlikely to. I could picture Dana suing all of the fighters before he would pay them a respectable amount.
 
Once he will face real competition like Derrick Lewis, Naganou will show the world he didnt evolve and is just there to make champions shine.
Dude will never touch a belt but is cocky like he won NbA's MVP ten years in a row.
 
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