Crime Biden was in possession of classified documents while not in office

[syct23]

Can you guys move on already! You aren't changing each others minds.

Imagine if the thread was deleted along with any post counts…

 

[Saye_mc]

TS and TS / SCI records are just “pieces of paper”. Obstructing laws are just for taxes. Etc, etc. you rationalize and lie one side away and make shit up for the other side.

Anyone can make up claims without evidence. Like you’re doing here.

they were classified documents until Trump said they weren't, now they are pieces of paper that the NARA attempted to sensationalize Trump having, because of a midterm election.

Pieces of paper bro, no longer TS or CDs just plain old pieces of paper

 

[kflo]

they were classified documents until Trump said they weren't, now they are pieces of paper that the NARA attempted to sensationalize Trump having, because of a midterm election.

Pieces of paper bro, no longer TS or CDs just plain old pieces of paper

Because it’s the law for him to provide to Nara.

And he chose to obstruct the law.

And when asked if he declassified by a judge he went silent.

 

[Witchhunt]

@kflo post: 170250753, member: 169337"]Lol. The Clinton judge said nothing about designating presidential records (classified, declassified) as personal.
Again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, just typing out that the president can designate presidential records as personal sounds absurd. Again, this is why you think you’re right but so wrong. Clinton records were never presidential, were never classified.

And, again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, the idea that the PRA, which was explicitly put in place to ensure presidential records were NOT shredded, actually codified that Nixon could just designate his records as private and shred them…. It’s laughable.

I’ll ask AGAIN - in the EO that defines the rules on classified records……..what is the heading of the order?

There is no single order. You should realize by now that the PRA has been challenged and ruled on in Federal Court and the Supreme Court. Those rulings effect the law as written. Judge Jackson and the Supremes (posted a number of times) both made rulings that clarified the constitutionality of the PRA..
This is how the law works in the United States. Many laws are written an enacted wherein all or part of the law is nullified when scrutinized against the constitution by a high court, be it right or wrong.

Edit: LOL

 

[idrankyourbeer]

@idrankyourbeer So you think Biden should be hung, too. Right?

Biden’s lawyers say they found the government materials in November while closing out a Washington, DC-based office – the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement – that Biden used as part of his relationship with the University of Pennsylvania, where he was an honorary professor from 2017 to 2019.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/joe-biden-classified-documents-upenn/index.html

no. president brandon should be awarded with some kind of medal in recognition of his honor and goodwill. not everybody is honest enough of a person to turn in a missing wallet or an overdue library book. the world needs more upstanding citizens like president brandon. definately a role model president for the citizens. a president for the people, unlike the last one who sent out mean tweets and got kicked to the gutter by over 81 million people.

private citizen donald trump and private citizen mike pence are not allowed to possess or view classified material. they do not have clearance after they lost their election bigly, and they are private citizens now with no legal rights to possess any classified documents or other government property.

private citizen trump and private citizen pence are not working for the government. they have no legal standing to have government property anywhere around them. they are not even allowed to lay eyes on classified material. for the fact that they are storing government property in unauthorized location, the two of these criminal con men need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

put private citizen pence and private citizen trump on trial together and try them for their crimes. i'm not going to discriminate, they both need to be prosecuted for their crimes. after all, i'm all for law and order, not just when its convenient for me.

according to cheeto benito, cucker tarlson, sean hannity, the rest of the right wing talking heads and a bunch of braindead maga trash - president brandon can possess classified documents, even after he's left the white house. i mean after all, he's not just a former president turned private citizen. he's the current president of the united states. he has the clearance to posses and view classified material. so its really no big deal. president brandon is just returning a bunch of overdue library books. no worse than jaywalking or cutting in line at the arcade. this is nothing more than a witch hunt!

and also using the same chud logic, brandon can also declassify whatever he wants, wherever he wants, whenever he wants just by thinking about it. he should just wave his magic wand and declassify all of those overdue library books inside of his head before he returns them. poof! exonerated bitches!

 

[kflo]

@kflo post: 170250753, member: 169337"]Lol. The Clinton judge said nothing about designating presidential records (classified, declassified) as personal.
Again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, just typing out that the president can designate presidential records as personal sounds absurd. Again, this is why you think you’re right but so wrong. Clinton records were never presidential, were never classified.

And, again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, the idea that the PRA, which was explicitly put in place to ensure presidential records were NOT shredded, actually codified that Nixon could just designate his records as private and shred them…. It’s laughable.

I’ll ask AGAIN - in the EO that defines the rules on classified records……..what is the heading of the order?

There is no single order. You should realize by now that the PRA has been challenged and ruled on in Federal Court and the Supreme Court. Those rulings effect the law as written. Judge Jackson and the Supremes (posted a number of times) both made rulings that clarified the constitutionality of the PRA..
This is how the law works in the United States. Many laws are written an enacted wherein all or part of the law is nullified when scrutinized against the constitution by a high court, be it right or wrong.

Edit: LOL

That’s right. Classified records are presidential. By definition.

The president segregates personal from presidential. He can’t designate records that are presidential by definition to be personal.

Again, the idea that the PRA, created to prevent presidents from disposing of presidential records actually empowers them to dispose of presidential records by simply redesignating them is absurd.

Clinton records were never classified and were always kept separate upon their creation, and weren’t recorded as classified records. They were never presidential.

Again - what is the heading of the EO in big letters and on every page? You can do it……..

 

[kflo]

@kflo post: 170250753, member: 169337"]Lol. The Clinton judge said nothing about designating presidential records (classified, declassified) as personal.
Again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, just typing out that the president can designate presidential records as personal sounds absurd. Again, this is why you think you’re right but so wrong. Clinton records were never presidential, were never classified.

And, again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, the idea that the PRA, which was explicitly put in place to ensure presidential records were NOT shredded, actually codified that Nixon could just designate his records as private and shred them…. It’s laughable.

I’ll ask AGAIN - in the EO that defines the rules on classified records……..what is the heading of the order?

There is no single order. You should realize by now that the PRA has been challenged and ruled on in Federal Court and the Supreme Court. Those rulings effect the law as written. Judge Jackson and the Supremes (posted a number of times) both made rulings that clarified the constitutionality of the PRA..
This is how the law works in the United States. Many laws are written an enacted wherein all or part of the law is nullified when scrutinized against the constitution by a high court, be it right or wrong.

Edit: LOL

Let me ask you an honest question.

do you not find it a bit curious that the PRA was enacted specifically to prevent presidents from keeping presidential records private (or disposing of them) yet your interpretation is that it actually empowers them to do just that?


that the PRA was intended to ensure public access to the decisions and inputs to presidential matters yet empowers the president to hide (or share with enemies) anything he wants?

do you not find that weird? Doesn’t raise a flag at all for you?

 

[Hugh G Rection]

@kflo post: 170250753, member: 169337"]Lol. The Clinton judge said nothing about designating presidential records (classified, declassified) as personal.
Again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, just typing out that the president can designate presidential records as personal sounds absurd. Again, this is why you think you’re right but so wrong. Clinton records were never presidential, were never classified.

And, again:
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

Again, the idea that the PRA, which was explicitly put in place to ensure presidential records were NOT shredded, actually codified that Nixon could just designate his records as private and shred them…. It’s laughable.

I’ll ask AGAIN - in the EO that defines the rules on classified records……..what is the heading of the order?

There is no single order. You should realize by now that the PRA has been challenged and ruled on in Federal Court and the Supreme Court. Those rulings effect the law as written. Judge Jackson and the Supremes (posted a number of times) both made rulings that clarified the constitutionality of the PRA..
This is how the law works in the United States. Many laws are written an enacted wherein all or part of the law is nullified when scrutinized against the constitution by a high court, be it right or wrong.

Edit: LOL

My man, I so want you to be right. I'm happy to put my head above the parapet and say I much prefer Trump to Biden.
However, while I have no Idea who's right or wrong, reading through this thread with you, @Saye_mc and @kflo - but @kflo 's argument makes more sense to me than yours.

 

[My Spot]

no. president brandon should be awarded with some kind of medal in recognition of his honor and goodwill. not everybody is honest enough of a person to turn in a missing wallet or an overdue library book. the world needs more upstanding citizens like president brandon. definately a role model president for the citizens. a president for the people, unlike the last one who sent out mean tweets and got kicked to the gutter by over 81 million people.

private citizen donald trump and private citizen mike pence are not allowed to possess or view classified material. they do not have clearance after they lost their election bigly, and they are private citizens now with no legal rights to possess any classified documents or other government property.

private citizen trump and private citizen pence are not working for the government. they have no legal standing to have government property anywhere around them. they are not even allowed to lay eyes on classified material. for the fact that they are storing government property in unauthorized location, the two of these criminal con men need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

put private citizen pence and private citizen trump on trial together and try them for their crimes. i'm not going to discriminate, they both need to be prosecuted for their crimes. after all, i'm all for law and order, not just when its convenient for me.

according to cheeto benito, cucker tarlson, sean hannity, the rest of the right wing talking heads and a bunch of braindead maga trash - president brandon can possess classified documents, even after he's left the white house. i mean after all, he's not just a former president turned private citizen. he's the current president of the united states. he has the clearance to posses and view classified material. so its really no big deal. president brandon is just returning a bunch of overdue library books. no worse than jaywalking or cutting in line at the arcade. this is nothing more than a witch hunt!

and also using the same chud logic, brandon can also declassify whatever he wants, wherever he wants, whenever he wants just by thinking about it. he should just wave his magic wand and declassify all of those overdue library books inside of his head before he returns them. poof! exonerated bitches!

So hypocrisy it is, then.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

So hypocrisy it is, then.

of course. brb gonna go use my private citizen powers to declassify a bunch more shit in my head.

oh there we go. all good. private citizen trump and private citizen pence need to be charged for their crimes hey? after all, they are private citizens. they are not lawfully allowed to possess government property, including classified information, anywhere. you're all about law and order too right, so what do you say?

the two of us would be locked up in prison for the rest of our lives if they found us with one or two of their classified documents at our houses. private citizen trump and private citizen pence were elected by the people for the people. they are supposed to be leading by example and held to the highest standards. they should be locked up in federal prison with the key thrown away at the very least, if not given the electric chair for high treason.

"No one is above the law, not even the President" - Donald J. Trump

 

[My Spot]

of course. brb gonna go use my private citizen powers to declassify a bunch more shit in my head.

oh there we go. all good. private citizen trump and private citizen pence need to be charged for their crimes hey? after all, they arent lawfully allowed to be possessing government property, including classified information, anywhere. you're all about law and order too right, so what do you say?

So you choose hypocrisy.

 

[PEB]

Former VP Pence ripping on Biden then his lawyers found top secret documents in his house lol. Will Republicans go as hard on Pence as they are on Biden?

 

[My Spot]

"But what about..."

 

[idrankyourbeer]

So you choose hypocrisy.

no. i choose law and order, and no amount of your cute little low iq memes and smileys that you keep regurgitating will ever change that.

they should criminally investigate and indict private citizen donald trump and private citizen mike pence for their crimes. they have no clearance or legal grounds to possess classified material in unauthorized locations, for that is a crime and they need to be put on trial for their heinous crimes. no president or vice president is above the law. the self proclaimed party of personal accountability and law and order baby! LOCK THEM UP!

 

[My Spot]

no. i choose law and order, and no amount of your cute little low iq memes and smileys that you keep regurgitating will ever change that.

they should criminally investigate and indict private citizen donald trump and private citizen mike pence for their crimes. they have no clearance or legal grounds to possess classified material in unauthorized locations, for that is a crime. no president or vice president is above the law. law and order baby. LOCK THEM UP!

Except you aren't saying the same things about 2017-2019 private citizen Joe Biden.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Except you aren't saying the same things about 2017-2019 private citizen Joe Biden.

of course i'm not saying the same thing, because this isnt the same thing.

president brandon is the president. he's not a private citizen that stole a bunch of government property and then refused and ignored all requests to return the property to their rightful owners. , defied court ordered subpoenas, and lied about having their property on his premesis. nobody had to get a federal judge to sign off on a search warrant of brandons garage just to recover their overdue library books that he forgot to return, as president brandon is being transparent and cooperative.

if anything, president brandon needs to get a promotion for his honesty and goodwill, but he is already the president of the united states. don't know how much further up the line one can go when they are already the president and leader of the free world. but he deserves his recognition. not everybody has the testicular fortitude and integrity to turn in a missing wallet or return their overdue library books. thanks joe! the world needs more honest people like you.

when it comes to classified documents, president brandon can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, wherever he wants

after all, according to a former president who got pink socked in his last election by a senile old man with dementia, a private citizen can simply declassify government documents inside of his head and turn the classified documents (that the fbi must have planted on him) into his personal property after the feds come and raid his house and take them from him, and that notion alone is enough to excuse him and absolve him of any crimes. so why cant the sitting president do it? he is allowed to have classified documents. he has the security clearance needed to possess and view classified government information. he has the authority to declassify government material.

president brandon should just wave his presidential wand and declassify those documents inside of his head, just to exonerate himself and make his problems just go away. or does this rule only apply to private citizens? and only if they wear a red hat?

but like i said, i dont pick favorites here. sure what private citizen pence done was far less of a crime than the obstruction from private citizen trump, but i'm all about law and order and personal accountability, and not just only when its convenient for me. therefore private citizen donald trump and private citizen mike pence need to be held criminally accountable for their crimes. they are not the president of the united states. they do not work for the government. they are regular citizens. they are not allowed to possess or view classified government material. they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[My Spot]

of course i'm not saying the same thing, because this isnt the same thing.

president brandon is the president. he's not a private citizen that stole a bunch of government property and then refused and ignored all requests to return the property to their rightful owners. , defied court ordered subpoenas, and lied about having their property on his premesis. nobody had to get a federal judge to sign off on a search warrant of brandons garage just to recover their overdue library books that he forgot to return, as president brandon is being transparent and cooperative.

if anything, president brandon needs to get a promotion for his honesty and goodwill, but he is already the president of the united states. don't know how much further up the line one can go when they are already the president and leader of the free world. but he deserves his recognition. not everybody has the testicular fortitude and integrity to turn in a missing wallet or return their overdue library books. thanks joe! the world needs more honest people like you.

when it comes to classified documents, president brandon can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, wherever he wants

after all, according to a former president who got pink socked in his last election by a senile old man with dementia, a private citizen can simply declassify government documents inside of his head and turn the classified documents (that the fbi must have planted on him) into his personal property after the feds come and raid his house and take them from him, and that notion alone is enough to excuse him and absolve him of any crimes. so why cant the sitting president do it? he is allowed to have classified documents. he has the security clearance needed to possess and view classified government information. he has the authority to declassify government material.

president brandon should just wave his presidential wand and declassify those documents inside of his head, just to exonerate himself and make his problems just go away. or does this rule only apply to private citizens? and only if they wear a red hat?

but like i said, i dont pick favorites here. sure what private citizen pence done was far less of a crime than the obstruction from private citizen trump, but i'm all about law and order and personal accountability, and not just only when its convenient for me. therefore private citizen donald trump and private citizen mike pence need to be held criminally accountable for their crimes. they are not the president of the united states. they do not work for the government. they are regular citizens. they are not allowed to possess or view classified government material. they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

So hypocrisy it is, then.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

So hypocrisy it is, then.

yeppers. law and order baby! back the blue!

 

[My Spot]

yeppers. law and order baby! back the blue!

"A private citizen who has classified material should be imprisoned or hung! Except for when Biden had them as a private citizen."

 

[idrankyourbeer]

"A private citizen who has classified material should be imprisoned or hung! Except for when Biden had them as a private citizen."

the party of personal accountability. law and order baby! back the blue!