Crime Biden was in possession of classified documents while not in office

[Saye_mc]

dude, you just can't help yourself. i've literally posted fact after fact with links to counter your lies and you keep popping back up. without ever acknowledging you were proved dead wrong. it's like you have a compulsion to lie and post falsehoods to deflect from your boy.

the clinton decision makes zero mention of declass. all it did was confirm what is clear in the PRA. the president can deem records personal. he cannot deem "presidential documents" to be private. or classified documents, which are by definition presidential.

no you can't help yourself and continue to show your lack of understanding...are presidential records property of the NARA after a president completes his term (yes https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title44/chapter22&edition=prelim. "Presidential records come to NARA at the end of the administration. The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) applies to the Presidential Records Act (PRA) five years after the President has left office"

Are declassified documents property of NARA(yes)


Soooo you're argument is though even though Trump claimed he declassified documents that he can't keep them because they belong to the NARA....)


As do presidental documents...

See how that court case has set precedent?

I mean come on now use your brain

 

[kflo]

no you can't help yourself and continue to show your lack of understanding...are presidential records property of the NARA after a president completes his term (yes https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title44/chapter22&edition=prelim. "Presidential records come to NARA at the end of the administration. The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) applies to the Presidential Records Act (PRA) five years after the President has left office"

Are declassified documents property of NARA(yes)


Soooo you're argument is though even though Trump claimed he declassified documents that he can't keep them because they belong to the NARA....)


As do presidental documents...

See how that court case has set precedent?

I mean come on now use your brain

1 - trump never claimed to anyone other than through tweets that he declassified anything. when asked officially by a judge they went silent.

2 - i have no idea what court precedent you are referring to. the clinton case had nothing to do with declassified records.

i have no idea what argument you are making above. you may want to try again.

 

[Saye_mc]

1 - trump never claimed to anyone other than through tweets that he declassified anything. when asked officially by a judge they went silent.

2 - i have no idea what court precedent you are referring to. the clinton case had nothing to do with declassified records.

i have no idea what argument you are making above. you may want to try again.

according to the law the chief executive only has to VERBALIZE that a document is no longer classified, he doesn't need to make a press statement, he doesnt need to file paperwork all he has to do is simply point to a document and say "no longer classified" do you have any proof that he didn't declass those documents by verbalizing that they are declassified.
The onus would be on you, leveling the charges to prove that Trump never verbalized declassing those documents

Sorry bud it don't work that way, the law is clear, he is the chief executive therefore if he says those were declassified then guess what? They are

2. There's no obstruction of justice to stopping the NARA from obtaining documents that the president declassed.

They were declassed and although he had no right to keep them, he also was within his right to challange if he could keep documents that are no longer declassed, because Bill Clinton argued that even though presidental documents become property of NARA after his term, he claimed them to be personal

The courts ruled in his favor, therefore Trump is within his legal rights to question the authority of NARA in that situation...documents that are supposed to be in NARAs possession, but Clinton was able to prove his case and keep documents that were supposed to go to NARA, then most certainly Trump is within his rights to question if pieces of paper can become his private property...that's the way the law works bud

We arnt talking about classified documents, rather declassified documents... Just as presidental records aren't classified BUT ownership of those documents belong to NARA...just as the declassed documents belong to NARA


You haven't the foggiest clue of what you are talking about at all

 

[ShadowRun]

That’s pretty cool, next time a drug dealer gets busted the detective should let his lawyers go find more drugs at his various houses. Remained me of the Dave Chappell sketch with roles reversed of rich and poor ..

 

[kflo]

according to the law the chief executive only has to VERBALIZE that a document is no longer classified, he doesn't need to make a press statement, he doesnt need to file paperwork all he has to do is simply point to a document and say "no longer classified" do you have any proof that he didn't declass those documents by verbalizing that they are declassified.
The onus would be on you, leveling the charges to prove that Trump never verbalized declassing those documents

Sorry bud it don't work that way, the law is clear, he is the chief executive therefore if he says those were declassified then guess what? They are

2. There's no obstruction of justice to stopping the NARA from obtaining documents that the president declassed.

They were declassed and although he had no right to keep them, he also was within his right to challange if he could keep documents that are no longer declassed, because Bill Clinton argued that even though presidental documents become property of NARA after his term, he claimed them to be personal

The courts ruled in his favor, therefore Trump is within his legal rights to question the authority of NARA in that situation...documents that are supposed to be in NARAs possession, but Clinton was able to prove his case and keep documents that were supposed to go to NARA, then most certainly Trump is within his rights to question if pieces of paper can become his private property...that's the way the law works bud

We arnt talking about classified documents, rather declassified documents... Just as presidental records aren't classified BUT ownership of those documents belong to NARA...just as the declassed documents belong to NARA


You haven't the foggiest clue of what you are talking about at all

smh.

bill clinton case had nothing to do with declassified records. how do you keep fucking this up?

you finally acknowledge he had no right to keep declassified (or classified) records. AND he has no right to challenge whether he can keep declassified / presidential records because they are by definition not personal. the law makes it clear they don't belong to him.

and a president can declassify, but if he doesn't evidence it in any way or work with nara to make the records public, then it's pretty hard to make a case he declassified anything. which is why he clammed up in front of a judge.

 

[Saye_mc]

smh.

bill clinton case had nothing to do with declassified records. how do you keep fucking this up?

you finally acknowledge he had no right to keep declassified (or classified) records. AND he has no right to challenge whether he can keep declassified / presidential records because they are by definition not personal. the law makes it clear they don't belong to him.

and a president can declassify, but if he doesn't evidence it in any way or work with nara to make the records public, then it's pretty hard to make a case he declassified anything. which is why he clammed up in front of a judge.

it doesn't need to have anything to do with declassified documents, presidental records become the possession of the NARA after a presidents term, just as Declassified documents become the property of NARA after a presidents term

Doesn't need to be the same thing, both are property of NARA and your whole argument is "durrr even if declassified those pieces of paper belonged toNARA, trump had no right to them"...well guess what bud, Clintons presidental records were property of NARA as well and he had no right to them until the judge said he did.

You're slow as fuck bro

 

[kflo]

it doesn't need to have anything to do with declassified documents, presidental records become the possession of the NARA after a presidents term, just as Declassified documents become the property of NARA after a presidents term

Doesn't need to be the same thing, both are property of NARA and your whole argument is "durrr even if declassified those pieces of paper belonged toNARA, trump had no right to them"...well guess what bud, Clintons presidental records were property of NARA as well and he had no right to them until the judge said he did.

You're slow as fuck bro

Bill Clinton’s records were not presidential. Ever. They were personal. If they were classified he could never claim them to be personal. It has zero application to trump who’s records were presidential by definition.

 

[Saye_mc]

Bill Clinton’s records were not presidential. Ever. They were personal. If they were classified he could never claim them to be personal. It has zero application to trump who’s records were presidential by definition.

nope they were most certainly presidential records that the court deemed to be personal

So why don't you stop your fucking baseless sensationalism unless ofcourse you have proof that Trump never woke one day , looked at a top secret documents and said "this is now declass" stop saying it's obstruction of justice to withhold declassed documents from NARA.

Just stop with your asisne drolling from the mouth, rhetoric that makes you hate a person that you don't know.

Your presidents is about to be locked up for stealing CDs while a senator, those documents having to do with China, and then storing them in a Chinese think tank, that has received billions from CHINA on public record... hopefully he gets tried for sedition and hung in the village square or face a firing squad from the military, Infront of blue haired weirdos shrieking for a safe space


Fuck off

 

[ringking1982]

10 and counting. hahahaha. It's get's better by the day. Still waiting for Biden to get impeached.

 

[kflo]

nope they were most certainly presidential records that the court deemed to be personal

So why don't you stop your fucking baseless sensationalism unless ofcourse you have proof that Trump never woke one day , looked at a top secret documents and said "this is now declass" stop saying it's obstruction of justice to withhold declassed documents from NARA.

Just stop with your asisne drolling from the mouth, rhetoric that makes you hate a person that you don't know.

Your presidents is about to be locked up for stealing CDs while q senator, those documents having to do with China, and then storing them in a Chinese think tank, that has received billions from CHINA on public record


Fuck off

I thought you said we could be friends! Telling me to fuck off…… not very friendly……

Again, this is how you respond when you are caught. You’re like a monkey throwing his poo.

They weren’t presidential. They weren’t classified. Donny’s records were. See an obvious difference there? Classified records can’t be personal. Bill - personal. Donny - presidential…..by definition.

Donny can’t claim classified records were personal. You can’t accept this fact. So instead of dealing with this unfortunate fact you rage.

It’s obstruction to conceal and cover up with the intent to impede and obstruct a federal agency.

 

[Saye_mc]

I thought you said we could be friends! Telling me to fuck off…… not very friendly……

Again, this is how you respond when you are caught. You’re like a monkey throwing his poo.

They weren’t presidential. They weren’t classified. Donny’s records were. See an obvious difference there? Classified records can’t be personal. Bill - personal. Donny - presidential…..by definition.

Donny can’t claim classified records were personal. You can’t accept this fact. So instead of dealing with this unfortunate fact you rage.

It’s obstruction to conceal and cover up with the intent to impede and obstruct a federal agency.

sure make sure to write that with crayons on a banner outside of the public execution spot where Biden faces justice for selling out this country to China

 

[kflo]

sure make sure to write that on crayons on a banner outside of the public execution spot where Biden faces justice for selling out this country to China

The problem with you tapping out of discussions when you are outed, is you’ll pop back in another time with the same nonsense.

 

[ShadowRun]

These people work This kind of misinformation is what helped Biden win. They should be held accountable

 

[Saye_mc]

These people work This kind of misinformation is what helped Biden win. They should be held accountable

demon possessed these people are literally demon possessed

 

[Witchhunt]

https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html
The PRA says records are either presidential or private. presidential belongs to NARA and the public.

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.​

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2010-01-05/pdf/E9-31418.pdf
classified records are governed by EO 13526 that is literally headlined "Presidential Documents". by definition they are presidential records, which is clear already from the PRA definition
https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/s337/BILLS-114s337enr.xml
FOIA governs as well

And that is a source for the nature of the information in the bill Clinton stash?

WTF

 

[Witchhunt]

When you have no response just make believe you're in the meme thread.

Or rattle my zipper…

 

[Witchhunt]

1 - trump never claimed to anyone other than through tweets that he declassified anything. when asked officially by a judge they went silent.

2 - i have no idea what court precedent you are referring to. the clinton case had nothing to do with declassified records.

i have no idea what argument you are making above. you may want to try again.

You keep saying Clinton didn’t have classified info.. post a fucking source!

not that it matters. You’re just never going to understand the role the president assumes with all of this. Even though the facts have been shoved up your ass, with custard.

for fucks sake, man..

 

[Hugh G Rection]

You keep saying Clinton didn’t have classified info.. post a fucking source!

not that it matters. You’re just never going to understand the role the president assumes with all of this. Even though the facts have been shoved up your ass, with custard.

for fucks sake, man..

Dude, @kflo has been remarkedly civil....even if you don't agree with his points it'd be nice if you reciprocated

 

[kflo]

And that is a source for the nature of the information in the bill Clinton stash?

WTF

Dude. It addressed this in my comment. How the fuck should i have known you were talking about Clinton.

The president can’t declare declassified records his own and keep it from the public and nara. Its ridiculous.​

you’re actually asking for a source that Clinton’s tapes were never classified??? Jesus. How about you source that they were?

 

[kflo]

You keep saying Clinton didn’t have classified info.. post a fucking source!

not that it matters. You’re just never going to understand the role the president assumes with all of this. Even though the facts have been shoved up your ass, with custard.

for fucks sake, man..

Post a source that they were classified. That’s how this works.

again you ignored the links that prove my point. You’re blatantly wrong. Declassified records cannot be personal. That’s a fact that you can’t avoid. And it was source and linked for you.