International Biden calls US ally Japan ‘xenophobic’ along with Russia and China

[Ichibanner]

I do think it’s funny when people are xenophobic in the US though. Like the old crotchety racist itt telling everyone how his ancestors came here and assimilated… uh no no they didn’t. There was a whole race of people here that got removed to make way for America today.

My friend's Dad was Cuban, arrived as a child in the 50's, served this country, and died. My friend can't claim that his Grandparents and Dad immigrated and assimilated because they weren't Native American?

"Um no, your Dad didn't come her and assimilate. Native Americans were here first so your statement is untrue since your ancestors didn't take on Native American culture!"

You know that people have ancestors that arrived during the industrial revolution or later right?

 

[Brigfa2]

I don’t really mind countries trying to protect their ethnic identity. Is Japan xenophobic? Absolutely. Like the very definition of it. But is it a bad thing for them? I don’t believe it is.

I do think it’s funny when people are xenophobic in the US though. Like the old crotchety racist itt telling everyone how his ancestors came here and assimilated… uh no no they didn’t. There was a whole race of people here that got removed to make way for America today.

Probably the best thing happened in the history

 

[Blayt7hh]

My friend's Dad was Cuban, arrived as a child in the 50's, served this country, and died. My friend can't claim that his Grandparents and Dad immigrated and assimilated because they weren't Native American?

"Um no, your Dad didn't come her and assimilate. Native Americans were here first so your statement is untrue since your ancestors didn't take on Native American culture!"

You know that people have ancestors that arrived during the industrial revolution or later right?

That doesn’t matter. Your friend is benefiting from America not assimilating

 

[blackheart]

dipshits like biden don't believe in anything except money so it's normal his only measure is gdp.

fuck all this push for migrants. we live in a culture, not in a workforce.

Yeah, Biden, who is famously very wealthy for a politician, only cares about money.

As opposed to Trump, who's entire personality and image is based around being a billionaire playboy that shits in golden toilets, who used the presidency to make hundreds of millions of dollars. That guy doesn't care about money.

It will never cease to amaze me how stupid and un self aware the average person is. It will never cease to amaze me that people will just completely make up their own fan fiction universe instead of choosing to accurately understand the actual reality that they inhabit.

 

[Seano]

My god you have very poor reading comprehension. Whether your ancestors did it or not, they benefit from it and assimilated into the culture that did it. How do you not get that? Literally every American benefits from this RECENT genocide and almost everyone’s family was here while it was happening. I’m not ignorant. I think you’re ignorant to how recent some of this was.

You can spare me telling. It’s irrelevant. I haven’t made a single thing up. What’s happening is your struggle to follow a conversation has crossed paths with your desire to brag about your family line.

“They” that did this were Americans, btw. The English/French/whatever did not fight the natives all across the west and round them up into reservations. That was Americans. This is something that literally went in into the 1950s where we (Americans) took children from reservations and forced them to assimilate as Americans- something I have no doubt you would have supported.

"They" being the key word here. Not us. Again, its fine to say some people didn't get a fair shake but there's no point in the constant finger pointing at people who had nothing to do with it. Its nothing more than a shakedown. The people who moved past this are the people contributing and functioning in society. Now look at those who have adopted this mentality. The Irish lost a million people to starvation during the potato famine, were driven from their land and not warmly welcomed when they came here. I don't see them marching around, demanding money and apologies. They're not singling out a group to shame.

If "every American benefits" then why are some pointing the finger of blame at the others? Why can't we just say "some bad things happened but we've come a long way and now everyone has the same opportunity"?

I'm not keen on the idea of treating a mass of single individuals as one guilty entity. How long does this hustle go on? When does it end? When will people like you shut the fuck up about it? Its interesting you don't see the pointlessness of it when you yourself say we're all a part of it.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I still find it surprising that with all of the potential people to choose from for the Democratic nomination it was Biden that got the nod. I mean I understand Hillary was never ever ever going to win but Democrats couldn't be behind anyone else but Biden in sufficient numbers?

The powers that be need people corrupt in office like Biden and the clintons, the bushes, etc. that is why they hate Trump, who did not need to be a corrupt official to enrich himself.

Sure he stiffed some people, but he did it all within the laws of the system the corrupt officials created. That is why despite being perhaps the most investigated person in history, all they have is omg stormy daniels and other bullshit cases

 

[Jack V Savage]

I still find it surprising that with all of the potential people to choose from for the Democratic nomination it was Biden that got the nod. I mean I understand Hillary was never ever ever going to win but Democrats couldn't be behind anyone else but Biden in sufficient numbers?

I think you're kind of missing the big picture. Whoever wins the Democratic nomination is going to be seen by Republicans as The Worst Person to Ever Live until there's another winner, and then it's "I voted for (predecessor) but This Person is truly the worst ever." The judgment is not connected to any characteristics of the individual person.

I mean, based on the current trend in their demographics Japan's population will decrease by over 30% within 50 years, and 40% will be over 65. By 2100, their population will be halved.

Can you be right if you no longer exist?

Honestly, I think for a lot of these people, they are depressed and hoping for extinction, and projecting that onto their vision of the world.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Man. That’s a bingo.

If you don't mind cutting your income in half, you can move to shitty parts of America that have the racial mix you want.

Country comparison Japan vs United States Average Wage 2024

Country comparison, you can compare any two countries and see the data side by side. Here you have the comparison of Japan vs United States, Average Wage

countryeconomy.com

 

[Rational Poster]

I think you're kind of missing the big picture. Whoever wins the Democratic nomination is going to be seen by Republicans as The Worst Person to Ever Live until there's another winner, and then it's "I voted for (predecessor) but This Person is truly the worst ever." The judgment is not connected to any characteristics of the individual person.

Honestly, I think for a lot of these people, they are depressed and hoping for extinction, and projecting that onto their vision of the world.

Yeah, I've discussed this idea before.

It seems that a lot of people's ideas on politics and policy come from a very selfish place. Their minds cannot handle the idea that the world keeps going on after they die, so they desperately want the world to end in their lifetime. So any idea or event that tracks with that trend they buy into completely.

The America is dying crowd overlaps a lot with the UFC is dying crowd too, it seems. Both similarly selfish ideas.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The powers that be need people corrupt in office like Biden and the clintons, the bushes, etc. that is why they hate Trump, who did not need to be a corrupt official to enrich himself.

Literal LOL. Nice.

 

[Rob Battisti]

If you don't mind cutting your income in half, you can move to shitty parts of America that have the racial mix you want.

Country comparison Japan vs United States Average Wage 2024

Country comparison, you can compare any two countries and see the data side by side. Here you have the comparison of Japan vs United States, Average Wage

countryeconomy.com

Not even sure how you could have taken my comment in that direction. Go get some air.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Not even sure how you could have taken my comment in that direction. Go get some air.

So what direction did you mean it if not that it's worth it to be much poorer if it maintains racial purity?

 

[Blayt7hh]

"They" being the key word here. Not us. Again, its fine to say some people didn't get a fair shake but there's no point in the constant finger pointing at people who had nothing to do with it. Its nothing more than a shakedown. The people who moved past this are the people contributing and functioning in society. Now look at those who have adopted this mentality. The Irish lost a million people to starvation during the potato famine, were driven from their land and not warmly welcomed when they came here. I don't see them marching around, demanding money and apologies. They're not singling out a group to shame.

If "every American benefits" then why are some pointing the finger of blame at the others? Why can't we just say "some bad things happened but we've come a long way and now everyone has the same opportunity"?

I'm not keen on the idea of treating a mass of single individuals as one guilty entity. How long does this hustle go on? When does it end? When will people like you shut the fuck up about it? Its interesting you don't see the pointlessness of it when you yourself say we're all a part of it.

You know what people here thought about the Irish when they first immigrated? Because it sure as shit was not “these chaps are sure assimilating”.

My point has never been about making anyone feel guilty. That’s where YOU took this; those words never came out of my mouth. My point is immigrants don’t automatically assimilate, never have and there’s no basis for saying that. America has a long history of bringing immigrants in and unfortunately, also demonizing them for being different.

This happened to the Irish. They were mistreated and exploited. People were racist towards them. Apparently your take away is we should do the same to the next group of immigrants. The irony is not lost on me that you think everyone is playing the victim card while you actually proclaim yourself the victim.

 

[Rob Battisti]

So what direction did you mean it if not that it's worth it to be much poorer if it maintains racial purity?

Not that it matters to you, but I’m for more legal immigration as I’ve stated many times here.

I don’t believe the best thing for cultural or mental wellbeing in a society is to treat humans purely on their economic production capability. Which is what this is reducing people into being.

There is a limit to the amount of people that a society needs in order to function. In your economic theory, you need an ever increasing amount of workforce production to keep up with an ever increasing amount of money to keep up with an ever increasing amount of people.

Automation has increased yet the furnace needs more fuel which is why you push for more workers all while ignoring any overarching changes that such a push has.

In your world view, culture isn’t something to maintain, it is an amorphous abstraction that is unnecessary to economic production.

Meanwhile, we will continue to be worked into the ground so that we can have smaller and smaller amounts of time and smaller pieces of life to ourselves as things become more and more expensive.

The point is, it’s not a bad thing to want to maintain a culture.

 

[Rational Poster]

You know what people here thought about the Irish when they first immigrated? Because it sure as shit was not “these chaps are sure assimilating”.

My point has never been about making anyone feel guilty. That’s where YOU took this; those words never came out of my mouth. My point is immigrants don’t automatically assimilate, never have and there’s no basis for saying that. America has a long history of bringing immigrants in and unfortunately, also demonizing them for being different.

This happened to the Irish. They were mistreated and exploited. People were racist towards them. Apparently your take away is we should do the same to the next group of immigrants. The irony is not lost on me that you think everyone is playing the victim card while you actually proclaim yourself the victim.

Another thing the end of the America crowd don't seem to get... assimilation doesn't happen in your life time..

It's a multi-generational process.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Another thing the end of the America crowd don't seem to get... assimilation doesn't happen in your life time..

It's a multi-generational process.

Desire to does

 

[Rob Battisti]

@Sinister this was where was thinking socialism has its qualities.

In a capitalist MMT based economy you have an ever expanding money supply which needs an ever expanding workforce to be sustained. What they leave out is all the money that’s tied up at the top which leaves the workers poor. Which is why Jack likes to say we need more migrants or our quality of life would go down. How about we just spread the money we do have more evenly among the producers?

 

[Rational Poster]

Desire to does

Cool fan fiction!

 

[Rob Battisti]

Cool fan fiction!

It’s fan fiction to believe that in the past first generation immigrants had more of a desire to assimilate than today?

 

[Seano]

You know what people here thought about the Irish when they first immigrated? Because it sure as shit was not “these chaps are sure assimilating”.

I know it very well. My great great grandparents were driven from Ireland during the potato famine (or more accurately, the after effect of the famine), tried to make a life in England, were not welcome and then came here only to find out it was the same people running things across the pond. My great grandmother, who I vaguely remember, came here when she was 2. I've heard the stories. And yet, here I am, living a relatively normal life, not whining about the English owing me reparations, or crying that my ancestors couldn't worship as they wished. Couldn't work in lucrative positions. I'm just fine.

My point has never been about making anyone feel guilty. That’s where YOU took this; those words never came out of my mouth.

You singled me out and insulted me, then got mad when I called you on it.

This happened to the Irish. They were mistreated and exploited. People were racist towards them. Apparently your take away is we should do the same to the next group of immigrants. The irony is not lost on me that you think everyone is playing the victim card while you actually proclaim yourself the victim.

I'm not a victim at all. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I feel victimized. You don't get it at all. My whole point is that while sure, my great great grandparents were treated like garbage I'm living a reasonably normal life. I've made my own way. The mistakes I've made are my own, the decisions I made are my own. If I commit a crime or get fired from my job, I'm not allowed to say "its not my fault, my great grandmom got mistreated 55 years before I was born". Its fine to remember it, to honor that history but you can't let it define who and what you are today.

Its not accurate to say Irish suffered racism. It was a type of bigotry for sure but more based on their belief in catholicism and their class. Ireland had been ravaged by the famine and never really recovered. They were considered poor and lower class. Similar to how the people of Martha's Vineyard felt when the brown folks showed up from Florida and Texas. Very early form of NIMBY.