ComteGuillotine
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The other day I was rolling with a friend who is a high-ranking blue belt, very skilled and technical, probably soon to receive a purple belt, and I caught him in a bicep slicer from spider guard, and he explicitly refused to tap despite admitting it was painful.
I was applying the slicer the right way and about four to five seconds went by and he didn't tap, saying he won't tap to slicers, I was getting a bit tired of trying to work the submission and I told him I didn't know how much more I wanted to throw into it because I didn't want to hear a snap/crack and it was a bit tiring to put all that effort into a submission that seemed to be going nowhere, so I just let go and he completed the guard pass.
He seems to be under the belief that slicers are purely pain moves and he said he'll just eat the pain and won't tap to a slicer. I remember seeing a video where somebody in a no-gi match has a slicer put on them, and a loud "CRACK!" results from the failure to tap, but I don't have that link handy. I'd like to show it to my friend since I used to think slicers were purely pain moves, until I studied them and concluded otherwise, with that video being one thing that helped me form the proper conclusion.
Usually with slicers, especially if applied from the arm-bar position, I get a tap within 1-3 seconds, and sometimes it winds up being a scream of 'tap' (in which case I instantly let go) although if more than about 4-5 seconds go by and they don't tap, I pretty much just let go and assume they don't know what the score is, since I'm not out to wreck anybody. I originally thought the slicer was a purely pain based move and in the first tournament I was in, when I was slicing a guy and he wasn't tapping, after 5-6 seconds, I bailed on the move because I thought he was just a tough guy. I had missed one minor detail and I didn't throw everything I had into it, otherwise I'd have probably wrecked him, and because I let him pass me and I got defeated. Thus, I wound up disappointed in the slicer and began to study it because I ultimately wondered if it failed me or I failed it. In the end I concluded that the submission is solid and it works, but a lot of people make the mistake of writing it off as a pain move, as I had originally done.
How can I convince my sparring partner that the move is legitimate and shouldn't be trifled with? I don't want to finish the move on him to the point where it ends with a snap and a scream because he's my friend and I value our friendship, but I would like to be able to legitimately tap him at some point, and a slicer is often something I use to tap people who I have trouble getting, because it tends to be somewhat sneaky.
It seems to me that the bicep slicer is one of the least understood and most under-appreciated submissions, although maybe that
I was applying the slicer the right way and about four to five seconds went by and he didn't tap, saying he won't tap to slicers, I was getting a bit tired of trying to work the submission and I told him I didn't know how much more I wanted to throw into it because I didn't want to hear a snap/crack and it was a bit tiring to put all that effort into a submission that seemed to be going nowhere, so I just let go and he completed the guard pass.
He seems to be under the belief that slicers are purely pain moves and he said he'll just eat the pain and won't tap to a slicer. I remember seeing a video where somebody in a no-gi match has a slicer put on them, and a loud "CRACK!" results from the failure to tap, but I don't have that link handy. I'd like to show it to my friend since I used to think slicers were purely pain moves, until I studied them and concluded otherwise, with that video being one thing that helped me form the proper conclusion.
Usually with slicers, especially if applied from the arm-bar position, I get a tap within 1-3 seconds, and sometimes it winds up being a scream of 'tap' (in which case I instantly let go) although if more than about 4-5 seconds go by and they don't tap, I pretty much just let go and assume they don't know what the score is, since I'm not out to wreck anybody. I originally thought the slicer was a purely pain based move and in the first tournament I was in, when I was slicing a guy and he wasn't tapping, after 5-6 seconds, I bailed on the move because I thought he was just a tough guy. I had missed one minor detail and I didn't throw everything I had into it, otherwise I'd have probably wrecked him, and because I let him pass me and I got defeated. Thus, I wound up disappointed in the slicer and began to study it because I ultimately wondered if it failed me or I failed it. In the end I concluded that the submission is solid and it works, but a lot of people make the mistake of writing it off as a pain move, as I had originally done.
How can I convince my sparring partner that the move is legitimate and shouldn't be trifled with? I don't want to finish the move on him to the point where it ends with a snap and a scream because he's my friend and I value our friendship, but I would like to be able to legitimately tap him at some point, and a slicer is often something I use to tap people who I have trouble getting, because it tends to be somewhat sneaky.
It seems to me that the bicep slicer is one of the least understood and most under-appreciated submissions, although maybe that
