Better resume: Terence or Teo?

The car crash excuse only starting getting peddled after what Bud did to him. Spence put a clinic on Danny most the fight was up like 6-1 through 7 then gave a couple late rounds away. That might have given some pause to people on how Spence would look later in fights but then he was the only guy to stop Ugas which he did in the 10th round. He broke him down like vintage Spence buzzsaw. Ugas a round winner only won like 1 round with that mouthpiece situation and then Spence arguably 10-8d him with no knockdown before stopping him.

Ugas is not pillow fisted either. He dropped Porter that was wrongly a slip and he hurts fighters and scores knockdown. He has power he is just a dogshit finisher. Its like Bivol. Horrific finishers but they have power.

There was no indication Spence was prioritized before Bud fight like there was for Taylor's horrific robbery of Catterall.
The video of the car accident was talked about a lot, speculation he was at very least partially compromised was talked about ever since. Didn’t he have a retina issue or something ? I didn’t wanna hear it because I was a supporter, but his downfall was predicted by several posters here alone. Ugas and Garcia seemed like quality wins until Barrios and ancient Lara destroyed both those guys.
 
2023 Taylor is not an elite win even if he was undefeated. Everyone knows the 1st Catterall fight was a horrific robbery and he looked washed. The Teo and Catterall rematch confirmed it. Rougarou looked shot against Zorrilla too thats why Teo and Haney pounced on them when they did.

Loma is his only elite win and its a guy he had 20-25lbs on in the ring. Many thought he lost to Sandor which had a clear knockdown that wasnt counted and another one that was and barely anything happened in the Jamaine fight he couldve easily lost too. Teo is one of those freak athletes that barring a specacatular KO doesnt separate himself in his wins.

This is Bud by a landslide not even close. Only Usyk has an unquestionably better resume than Bud among current era boxers even though his resume isn't great historically. Clenelo on paper would have until you look at the context of fights and questionable decisions which Bud has none of.

Generational wins

Spence

Elite wins

Madrimov

Great wins

Gamboa
Porter
Mean Machine
Postol

Good wins

Benavidez
Idongo
Ricky
Horn
Dulorme

Madrimov win will age like wine IMO. He was probably the best guy at 154 before Bud moved up.
yeah i've been shitting on bud for years, but his resume before 147 was more than solid.

and even at 147, the issue wasn't so much who he fought, but when he fought them. he was happy dragging his feet and fighting spence's leftovers to the point we all pulled at our hair with frustration... and then he destroyed spence and we all shut the fuck up.

saying he only has one good win is stupid. he cleaned out 3 divisions, for fuck's sake.
 
Teo still lacks consistency over time. Bud’s resume is superior even if it’s routinely overrated.
 
Crawford just has a lot more fights and titles than Teo while still being undefeated so I have to say him by quite a bit even if I dont rank him as high as a lot of people do in general.
 
Teo still lacks consistency over time. Bud’s resume is superior even if it’s routinely overrated.

How is Bud's resume routinely overrated? Heading into the Spence fight all people were saying was how bad Bud's resume was and why many if not most were picking Spence because he was the one taking out the top guys in the division at the time, Bud was scared to go to PBC because he didn't want to fight the top WWs.

And they said Porter was washed after Spence fight. People were mentioning shot Khan and Brook when they were never even among his best wins. Most said Postol was his best win and he was unremarkable, or making fun of Ricky Burns or saying Gamboa was never special above 126. "Routinely overrating Bud's resume" is a bizarre statement. No one ever said he had a great resume especially before Spence fight and it was constantly ridiculed.
 
How is Bud's resume routinely overrated? Heading into the Spence fight all people were saying was how bad Bud's resume was and why many if not most were picking Spence because he was the one taking out the top guys in the division at the time, Bud was scared to go to PBC because he didn't want to fight the top WWs.

And they said Porter was washed after Spence fight. People were mentioning shot Khan and Brook when they were never even among his best wins. Most said Postol was his best win and he was unremarkable, or making fun of Ricky Burns or saying Gamboa was never special above 126. "Routinely overrating Bud's resume" is a bizarre statement. No one ever said he had a great resume especially before Spence fight and it was constantly ridiculed.

The 0, the Spence fight and the 2 undisputed titles are routinely brought up with little to no context on other boards, medias, etc. Maybe it sounds bizarre, maybe it’s a European perspective, it’s just the world I’m living in. This place is more balanced - which is a plus IMO.
 
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The 0, the Spence fight and the 2 undisputed titles are routinely brought up with little to no context on other boards, medias, etc. Maybe it sounds bizarre, maybe it’s a European perspective, it’s just the world I’m living in. This place is more balanced - which is a plus IMO.

Oh so you mean accomplishments more than "resume". Technically when fans talk about resume at least in America they mean WHO they beat not really their accomplishments, titles etc.
 
Lomachenko and Taylor are better than any two wins you can pick off Crawford's resume. All Crawford really has is a 0 at the end of his record.
 
2023 Taylor is not an elite win even if he was undefeated. Everyone knows the 1st Catterall fight was a horrific robbery and he looked washed. The Teo and Catterall rematch confirmed it. Rougarou looked shot against Zorrilla too thats why Teo and Haney pounced on them when they did
You said this in December of 2022.
His success @ LW was predicated on elite athleticism and being a size bully. He looked 3 weight classes bigger than Loma. His fundamentals are shite and its hard to athlete and outexplosive guys your size. He never had anything for Taylor, Prograis, Ramirez, Catterall etc. He gets stopped by alot of the top guys too.
 
Lomachenko and Taylor are better than any two wins you can pick off Crawford's resume. All Crawford really has is a 0 at the end of his record.
Taylor is one of the most overrated undisputed champs ever and Teo beat him when he was in terrible form, nowhere near his prime. The Loma win was great, but 1 great win doesn't overshadow the body of work. Teo routinely looks terrible against mediocre opposition, Crawford looks stellar against pretty much all opposition even if he doesn't have the best resume.
 
Taylor is one of the most overrated undisputed champs ever and Teo beat him when he was in terrible form, nowhere near his prime. The Loma win was great, but 1 great win doesn't overshadow the body of work. Teo routinely looks terrible against mediocre opposition, Crawford looks stellar against pretty much all opposition even if he doesn't have the best resume.
Revisionist history based on Lopez making him look bad. The Catteral fight happened waaaaay before Lopez fought him and most still picked Taylor to beat Lopez. No one at 140 had a better resume than Taylor.
 
Revisionist history based on Lopez making him look bad. The Catteral fight happened waaaaay before Lopez fought him and most still picked Taylor to beat Lopez. No one at 140 had a better resume than Taylor.
Lopez was the underdog because of his mental health issues and out of the ring life problems, it had little to do with Taylor. Anyone with eyes saw that Taylor lost to Catterall in a pedestrian performance. Taylor just wasn't that good.
 
Taylor is one of the most overrated undisputed champs ever and Teo beat him when he was in terrible form, nowhere near his prime. The Loma win was great, but 1 great win doesn't overshadow the body of work. Teo routinely looks terrible against mediocre opposition, Crawford looks stellar against pretty much all opposition even if he doesn't have the best resume.
Come on, Crawford doesn’t always look stellar, he looked suspect against guys who had no business in there with him, his supposedly most dangerous fights are the ones where he looks like a god
 
Come on, Crawford doesn’t always look stellar, he looked suspect against guys who had no business in there with him, his supposedly most dangerous fights are the ones where he looks like a god
well i said "pretty much", not always. If you look at Crawford's resume, it's fairly hard to find sub par performances. He's only human so of course there are some poor performances but he has excellent consistency. Meanwhile every other Teo fight he looks like ass.
 
Yes IMO def better than Porter. Porter was solid but unremarkable. A clear knockdown ruled a slip robbed Ugas of a decision against him too. I rate Madrimov very highly I don't think Porter beat anyone as good as Kurbanov or Soro. He's beaten more popular fighters but not better ones IMO.

Gamboa was a great win but we can't ignore it was at 135 where Gamboa was ranked 7th or 8th at the time and never truly exceptional as a LW. Still a great win but Gamboa was only proven elite top P4P talent from 126-130 clear undersized and Bud massive 135 so that knocks that win down for Bud. He fought Madrimov who IMO was best 154 and Bud moved up to his 4th weight class and fought a guy like that in his debut too.
I still don't see it. Gamboa was an Olympic gold medalist and a unified title holder, Porter was a 2x title holder had fought every notable name in the division.

Madrimov doesn't have the resume to justify ranking him over Gamboa or Porter. He may or may be better, but he lacks the body of work for me to seriously consider him as a better win for Crawford.
 
Taylor is one of the most overrated undisputed champs
oh man that's some bullshit. he took everyone's cherry at 140 and he looked spectacular all the way to the catteral fight. we were all raving about what a crazy achievement it was to take the WBSS tournament, cleanly beat all the undefeated guys there, and unify all belts.

from postol to ramirez, he beat 6 guys with a combined record of 136-1, and unified all 4 belts.

calling that overrated is supremely unfair.
 
oh man that's some bullshit. he took everyone's cherry at 140 and he looked spectacular all the way to the catteral fight. we were all raving about what a crazy achievement it was to take the WBSS tournament, cleanly beat all the undefeated guys there, and unify all belts.

from postol to ramirez, he beat 6 guys with a combined record of 136-1, and unified all 4 belts.

calling that overrated is supremely unfair.
well call me a hater but i always thought 140 was a wack division lol. I never really rated Jose Ramirez OR Prograis. I just think Josh Taylor was the best of a mediocre bunch. But maybe i'm being unfair, i don't know.
 
well call me a hater but i always thought 140 was a wack division lol. I never really rated Jose Ramirez OR Prograis. I just think Josh Taylor was the best of a mediocre bunch. But maybe i'm being unfair, i don't know.
It’s hard to say when Taylor and Prograis were considered the top of the division and they were both blanked 12-0 by lightweights, but if 140 is so wack I guess we can finally stop celebrating Crawfords unification of it, because he fought even lesser guys than Taylor or Prograis who the LWs just jobbed out. Tbh, Taylor had a better resume at 140 than TC by a lot.
 
It’s hard to say when Taylor and Prograis were considered the top of the division and they were both blanked 12-0 by lightweights, but if 140 is so wack I guess we can finally stop celebrating Crawfords unification of it, because he fought even lesser guys than Taylor or Prograis who the LWs just jobbed out. Tbh, Taylor had a better resume at 140 than TC by a lot.
Oh I absolutely think Crawford’s undisputed 140 is overrated, I mean he took 2 belts off Julius indongo lool. I’m telling you, 140 is wack.
 
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