Better resume: Terence or Teo?

[that Indian]

I see how Crawford and Teo are going back and forth on the socials.

Crawford making strong statements about having the better resume; so does he?

Teo has Loma, Taylor as elite wins and Commey, Martin and Ortiz as sub-elite wins. A black eye on the resume is Kambosos.

Crawford has Spence as elite and Kava, Brook, Porter and Madrimov as sub-elite wins.

I guess I'd have to give it to Crawford based on his spotless record, but if Teo hadn't fucked up with Kambo I think he has the better resume.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Crawford has the 0 and the Spence annihilation. The Kambosos loss fucked Teos legacy up some.

 

[CobraCmndr6193]

I suggest they fight over it.

 

[Ara tech]

Teo is still young, 27 if I'm not mistaken. He still has at least a dozen of fight left. Tough, Crawford had a better resume.
Boxing is slowing down, too much politics made Crawford inactive, but Teo is making the right move, training with Reynoso's team.

All the best to these lions who keep the sport of boxing alive.

 

[baconCrunch]

crawford’s resume is clearly weaker than teo.
it’s just the 0 and the amount of KOs that are more impressive. i still question spence being elite. i think before the accident, he was fringe. but we all have to admit the guys at welter have always been a bit overrated by american media.

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Crawford, but his record could have been better. Teo Lopez could overtake him

 

[moosaev]

Crawford went undisputed in 2 diff weight classes and beat an undefeated P4P guy. Teo lost to Kambosos.

 

[Ara tech]

Crawford should fight Ennis. It is the biggest fight in welterweight. But he won't. The only one who had a chance to beat him is Ennis. Madrimov is underrated, really tough guy, huge amateur career that was overlooked by many.

What he did to Spence was championship level. Performance of his career indeed.

 

[Stormtrooper85]

Budson is P4P the most irritating fighter who is supremely skilled
Man began his career at 135lbs. I think if he was actually interested in his career he could've been the consensus best fighter from 135 - 160lbs through his career

But he don't give a fuck and is still a 2 division undisputed champion with 1 marquee win in a 15 year career at 37 years of age. He could probably clean out 154 right now but why do that when blaming everyone else is his life's dream?

Teo beat Loma and threw it all away one fight later.

 

[ExitLUPin]

2023 Taylor is not an elite win even if he was undefeated. Everyone knows the 1st Catterall fight was a horrific robbery and he looked washed. The Teo and Catterall rematch confirmed it. Rougarou looked shot against Zorrilla too thats why Teo and Haney pounced on them when they did.

Loma is his only elite win and its a guy he had 20-25lbs on in the ring. Many thought he lost to Sandor which had a clear knockdown that wasnt counted and another one that was and barely anything happened in the Jamaine fight he couldve easily lost too. Teo is one of those freak athletes that barring a specacatular KO doesnt separate himself in his wins.

This is Bud by a landslide not even close. Only Usyk has an unquestionably better resume than Bud among current era boxers even though his resume isn't great historically. Clenelo on paper would have until you look at the context of fights and questionable decisions which Bud has none of.

Generational wins

Spence

Elite wins

Madrimov

Great wins

Gamboa
Porter
Mean Machine
Postol

Good wins

Benavidez
Idongo
Ricky
Horn
Dulorme

Madrimov win will age like wine IMO. He was probably the best guy at 154 before Bud moved up.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Only Usyk has an unquestionably better resume than Bud among current era boxers even though his resume isn't great historically.

Usyk has the best resume in cruiserweight's 45 year history. At heavyweight his resume isn't great historically but that's because of the era and the fact that he's only had a total of 6 fights there.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Usyk has the best resume in cruiserweight's 45 year history. At heavyweight his resume isn't great historically but that's because of the era and the fact that he's only had a total of 6 fights there.

Yeah I meant Usyks totality so both divisions combined and yes he def has the GOAT resume for CWs alone too. No question he cleaned out the golden era of the division

Oh did you reply to the last part of that? I meant Buds resume isnt great historically not Usyks. Usyk is probably the only boxer of this era whos resume you can put up there with the historical greats and not look out of place.

 

[Blazeblack]

2023 Taylor is not an elite win even if he was undefeated. Everyone knows the 1st Catterall fight was a horrific robbery and he looked washed. The Teo and Catterall rematch confirmed it. Rougarou looked shot against Zorrilla too thats why Teo and Haney pounced on them when they did.

Loma is his only elite win and its a guy he had 20-25lbs on in the ring. Many thought he lost to Sandor which had a clear knockdown that wasnt counted and another one that was and barely anything happened in the Jamaine fight he couldve easily lost too. Teo is one of those freak athletes that barring a specacatular KO doesnt separate himself in his wins.

This is Bud by a landslide not even close. Only Usyk has an unquestionably better resume than Bud among current era boxers even though his resume isn't great historically. Clenelo on paper would have until you look at the context of fights and questionable decisions which Bud has none of.

Generational wins

Spence

Elite wins

Madrimov

Great wins

Gamboa
Porter
Mean Machine
Postol

Good wins

Benavidez
Idongo
Ricky
Horn
Dulorme

Madrimov win will age like wine IMO. He was probably the best guy at 154 before Bud moved up.

Madrimov is a better win than Porter and Gamboa?

 

[ExitLUPin]

Madrimov is a better win than Porter and Gamboa?

Yes IMO def better than Porter. Porter was solid but unremarkable. A clear knockdown ruled a slip robbed Ugas of a decision against him too. I rate Madrimov very highly I don't think Porter beat anyone as good as Kurbanov or Soro. He's beaten more popular fighters but not better ones IMO.

Gamboa was a great win but we can't ignore it was at 135 where Gamboa was ranked 7th or 8th at the time and never truly exceptional as a LW. Still a great win but Gamboa was only proven elite top P4P talent from 126-130 clear undersized and Bud massive 135 so that knocks that win down for Bud. He fought Madrimov who IMO was best 154 and Bud moved up to his 4th weight class and fought a guy like that in his debut too.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yeah I meant Usyks totality so both divisions combined and yes he def has the GOAT resume for CWs alone too. No question he cleaned out the golden era of the division

Oh did you reply to the last part of that? I meant Buds resume isnt great historically not Usyks. Usyk is probably the only boxer of this era whos resume you can put up there with the historical greats and not look out of place.

Maybe I misread that part then. Yeah Bud has the accomplishments on paper but when you look at who he's actually beaten it's very underwhelming. His best wins are probably Spence & Postol.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Maybe I misread that part then. Yeah Bud has the accomplishments on paper but when you look at who he's actually beaten it's very underwhelming. His best wins are probably Spence & Postol.

Madrimov is clearly his 2nd best win IMO. But yeah it's not only a Bud thing. Damn near all P4P talents of this era besides Usyk have mediocre resumes. Clenelo on paper is great until you look at the context of decisions and scorecards that went his way.

Inoue's resume is also flat despite comparable accomplishments to Bud. Tank is a top 3 superstar, put on P4P lists and his resume stinks especially when you factor in rehydration against Ryan and Barrios and LSC being a blown up BW. You could argue his best win is still Jose Pedraza.... 7 years ago.

Beterbiev Bivol winner will have a great claim of having the 2nd best resume to Usyk of this era.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Madrimov is clearly his 2nd best win IMO. But yeah it's not only a Bud thing. Damn near all P4P talents of this era besides Usyk have mediocre resumes. Clenelo on paper is great until you look at the context of decisions and scorecards that went his way.

Inoue's resume is also flat despite comparable accomplishments to Bud. Tank is a top 3 superstar, put on P4P lists and his resume stinks especially when you factor in rehydration against Ryan and Barrios and LSC being a blown up BW. You could argue his best win is still Jose Pedraza.... 7 years ago.

Beterbiev Bivol winner will have a great claim of having the 2nd best resume to Usyk of this era.

I don't rate Bud's win over Madrimov higher than his Postol win. Madrimov only had 11 total fights to his name when Bud beat him and none of them were notable.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

2023 Taylor is not an elite win even if he was undefeated. Everyone knows the 1st Catterall fight was a horrific robbery and he looked washed. The Teo and Catterall rematch confirmed it. Rougarou looked shot against Zorrilla too thats why Teo and Haney pounced on them when they did.

Loma is his only elite win and its a guy he had 20-25lbs on in the ring. Many thought he lost to Sandor which had a clear knockdown that wasnt counted and another one that was and barely anything happened in the Jamaine fight he couldve easily lost too. Teo is one of those freak athletes that barring a specacatular KO doesnt separate himself in his wins.

This is Bud by a landslide not even close. Only Usyk has an unquestionably better resume than Bud among current era boxers even though his resume isn't great historically. Clenelo on paper would have until you look at the context of fights and questionable decisions which Bud has none of.

Generational wins

Spence

Elite wins

Madrimov

Great wins

Gamboa
Porter
Mean Machine
Postol

Good wins

Benavidez
Idongo
Ricky
Horn
Dulorme

Madrimov win will age like wine IMO. He was probably the best guy at 154 before Bud moved up.

Madrimov is not an elite win. Basically all of Crawfords wins suck before Spence, except Postol in the context of the time it actually went down. After which Postol continued to show he was not elite, and the win aged poorly, but at the time itself it was such a humiliation in what was supposed to be a competitive fight it just blew Crawfords aura up. Madridmov needs to progress upward and win a lot following the loss for the win to not be just a random titlist TC snatched a belt off while literally debuting at 154.

 

[that Indian]

2023 Taylor is not an elite win even if he was undefeated. Everyone knows the 1st Catterall fight was a horrific robbery and he looked washed. The Teo and Catterall rematch confirmed it. Rougarou looked shot against Zorrilla too thats why Teo and Haney pounced on them when they did.

Loma is his only elite win and its a guy he had 20-25lbs on in the ring. Many thought he lost to Sandor which had a clear knockdown that wasnt counted and another one that was and barely anything happened in the Jamaine fight he couldve easily lost too. Teo is one of those freak athletes that barring a specacatular KO doesnt separate himself in his wins.

This is Bud by a landslide not even close. Only Usyk has an unquestionably better resume than Bud among current era boxers even though his resume isn't great historically. Clenelo on paper would have until you look at the context of fights and questionable decisions which Bud has none of.

Generational wins

Spence

Elite wins

Madrimov

Great wins

Gamboa
Porter
Mean Machine
Postol

Good wins

Benavidez
Idongo
Ricky
Horn
Dulorme

Madrimov win will age like wine IMO. He was probably the best guy at 154 before Bud moved up.

If you're going to downgrade Taylor, you also have to downgrade Spence. Spence was on the wrong side of 2 car accidents and got wobbled vs. pillow-fisted Ugas. He doesn't even have real teeth in his upper mouth. I rank both wins about the same.

Also, I agree with you that the Madrimov win will age very well. By the time Madrimov retires, people will see what a monster he truly was.

 

[ExitLUPin]

If you're going to downgrade Taylor, you also have to downgrade Spence. Spence was on the wrong side of 2 car accidents and got wobbled vs. pillow-fisted Ugas. He doesn't even have real teeth in his upper mouth. I rank both wins about the same.

Also, I agree with you that the Madrimov win will age very well. By the time Madrimov retires, people will see what a monster he truly was.

The car crash excuse only starting getting peddled after what Bud did to him. Spence put a clinic on Danny most the fight was up like 6-1 through 7 then gave a couple late rounds away. That might have given some pause to people on how Spence would look later in fights but then he was the only guy to stop Ugas which he did in the 10th round. He broke him down like vintage Spence buzzsaw. Ugas a round winner only won like 1 round with that mouthpiece situation and then Spence arguably 10-8d him with no knockdown before stopping him.

Ugas is not pillow fisted either. He dropped Porter that was wrongly a slip and he hurts fighters and scores knockdown. He has power he is just a dogshit finisher. Its like Bivol. Horrific finishers but they have power.

There was no indication Spence was prioritized before Bud fight like there was for Taylor's horrific robbery of Catterall.