Best Foreigners in Muay Thai

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Actually regardless of IP adress or username you will know old Baltic heritage in combat sports.........
It is annoying to hear how this Baltic region or scandi is ..........with 0 back ground in combat sports or etc a like ksenofobic ideas here.
It is actually not better than racism ideas.

 

[Tayski]

There are not many nations who do good in more than 1 combat sports, simply because fighting is not very developed and kind of decreased. Talking about the Big 3, not mentioning karate and jiu-jitsu, and kempo and one more discipline I forgot the name (in wushu so so now), where we are winning a lot of medals. In Romania we have 5-6 kickboxing promotions with good TV contracts. 4 world champions in pro-boxing after 1990, when pro-boxing appeared, I am fine with it. Netherlands might have 0 in first 3 belts, and don"t come here also with WBA Regular which is not Super. IBF, WBA and WBC. That"s all... Plus Romania has in amateur boxing 115 medals, only Russia and Germany have won more in European Championships! England has less than 60, Great Britain included. Netherlands has 5 times less than Romania. Even in women we are 5th overall.

Now I have a boxing background, ok? And I know everything. Then this Oriental body AIBA has brought corruption to amateur boxing, then most of our potential boxers migrated to kickboxing. It"s an inside job the destruction of boxing, this is why boxing is decreasing big. Amateur boxing today is not taken seriously anymore, and pro-boxing in the US is at the worst state ever. Who has the TV wins it. Kickboxing had the perfect recipe in Romania. The same professional boxing in Great Britain. Eduard Irimia migrated from pro-boxing (held some events with important titles) to kickboxing in early 2000. Every respectable fitness gym in Romania includes now kickboxing, sometimes BJJ/MMA but not boxing. And karate had overtaken here boxing decades 2 decades ago.

Muay Thai for me is not even a real fighting sport. It"s Thai (kick)boxing. It is not taught anymore in my country. For example we have many karatekas. For example Romania youth and juniors ranks number 1 in karate as medals in 2019, with over 200 trophies won at the European Championships. Over 300 medals in Euro and World champs.

So if you think we struggle, it is not true. Where we have athletes, we have results. The number of athletes in boxing has simply decreased big. About 25 times.

Plus who are the current Dutch Muay Thai fighters? Waiting names.

Can't be bothered reading your long rants especially since they're full of flaws and heavily biased bullshit. However I'll address 2 ridiculous things I saw in your post:

Muay Thai for me is not even a real fighting sport. It"s Thai (kick)boxing.

Lol at the troll attempt. What are you even doing here polluting this thread then?
You seem to forget that the Kickboxing you cherish comes from Muay Thai and is just a watered down version to please a Western audience. The sport of Muay Thai exists since the beginning of the 20th century while Kickboxing started in the 60's and 70's when the Japanese imported Muay Thai and made it their own version. Kickboxing is considered a joke in a lot of countries.

It is not taught anymore in my country. For example Romania youth and juniors ranks number 1 in karate as medals in 2019, with over 200 trophies won at the European Championships. Over 300 medals in Euro and World champs.

Not a single Romanian in any of the top WKF men ranking in Kumite at any age:
https://www.wkf.net/ranking
Romanians are also non existent in Kyokushin, you don't see them in any top rankings. The last IFK world championship was even hosted in Romania, and look at how many Romanians ended in the final rankings:

Plus who are the current Dutch Muay Thai fighters? Waiting names.

They have a couple currently in the rankings: http://www.wbcmuaythai.com/ratting.php
Regien Eersel for instance who does both MT and KB.

 

[SuperLuigi]

But he s not a Nak Muay, dude. I mean a fighter fightingunder MT rules does not make one a MT fighter.

OK forget the ugly comment because that is purely subjective but no he does not fight like other Muay Mats. Wangchanoi, Veeraphol, Lakhin for example fight nothing like Dekkers. It is not about what you employ but the whole rythm of fighting, the distance management, everything. No Thai fights like Dekkers. Muay Thai is more than just a ruleset, you know.

BTW it makes it even more impressive in a way, that he was able to prevail so often against Thais under their rule but by using a very limited / specialised weapon set. Dany Bill for example IS a MT fighter. He also came from Europe BUT adopted a slick femeur style at jocky gym. He said it himself that he wanted to learn this style from the best at this style. At the same time isn't it notorious that Dekkers was convinced about his Dutch style and DGAF about expanding his knowledge?

So yes absolutely, because of all the above. Dekkers was never a MT fighter. He was a Dutch style kickboxer who prevailed in a ruleset that wasn't his.

RD was influenced in style, developing his kicking game for sure after training in Thailand. The thing that for me alienates him from other nak muays though is that he used essentially zero clinch grappling. Watch his fight with Orono and its like hes never clinched before.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

RD was influenced in style, developing his kicking game for sure after training in Thailand. The thing that for me alienates him from other nak muays though is that he used essentially zero clinch grappling. Watch his fight with Orono and its like hes never clinched before.

You don t need to convince me, man. People ITT are mistaking Muay Thai the ruleset with Muay Thai the few fighting styles as taught in Thailand and used by Thais.

Dekkers fought in Muay Thai using something else. For me it s noteven contraversial.

 

[baconCrunch]

Rob Kaman
Ramon Dekkers
Peter Aerts
Ernesto Hoost
Remy Bonjasky

They destroyed all the Thais at their own game and most at their own rules, using Kickboxing that started from Mejiro Gym and Chakuriki.

1st, there were no thai heavyweights
2nd, aerts, bojansky, hoost, etc only fought other farangs in kickboxing rules, never real muay thai
3rd, dekkers lost every time in title bouts to the top thais. he ended his career without winning any major stadium titles.

 

[baconCrunch]

nadaka has accomplished more than any farang, in a competitive wgt class

fujiwara is the 1st pioneer, raja champ, as he did it during the heyday of mt in a stacked division

 

[Snubnoze707]

Rob Kaman
Ramon Dekkers
Peter Aerts
Ernesto Hoost
Remy Bonjasky

They destroyed all the Thais at their own game and most at their own rules, using Kickboxing that started from Mejiro Gym and Chakuriki.

If you want to keep trolling here then you are playing with fire already having dubs. I've ended many trolls careers, you can be next.

 

[Gratis]

If you want to keep trolling here then you are playing with fire already having dubs. I've ended many trolls careers, you can be next.

Please do.

 

[Gratis]

Rob Kaman
Ramon Dekkers
Peter Aerts
Ernesto Hoost
Remy Bonjasky

They destroyed all the Thais at their own game and most at their own rules, using Kickboxing that started from Mejiro Gym and Chakuriki.

I only browse this forum from time to time but even I'm getting tired of your bullshit.

Dekkers and I think Kaman are the only fighters on that list who fought in Muay Thai, and Dekkers is the only one who fought what can be considered to be elite Thais, and he had a losing record against them. So no, they didn't "destroy all the Thais at their own game". You want to talking about beating people at their own game, look at what Buakaw did to K-1, who is no where near one of the best MT fighters.

It's quite amusing how you stink up this forum with your 'Kickboxing is better than Muay Thai' gimmick, despite the fact that Kickboxing is essentially watered down Muay Thai, and Thai fighters are constantly transitioning to Kickboxing and dominating yet Kickboxers almost never try their hand at FTR, much less do as well as MT fighters do in Kickboxing. Even Petrosyan, who is perhaps the best p4p kickboxer ever, started out in Muay Thai.

Of course you probably won't respond to any of this just like you don't respond to anyone else who retorts your nonsense because you're just a shitty troll.

 

[Kanka]

Would be interesting to make a list of top kickboxers who started out in Muay Thai vs top kickboxers who started out in something else (ie "kickboxing", kyoyushin etc). IIRC even Tenshin has a Muay Thai background, not sure though.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Rob Kaman
Ramon Dekkers
Peter Aerts
Ernesto Hoost
Remy Bonjasky

They destroyed all the Thais at their own game and most at their own rules, using Kickboxing that started from Mejiro Gym and Chakuriki.

Is this a joke? Dekkers has a shit-tier record under stadium rules fighting Thais and the last 3 never fought in stadiums s far as I know. No Thais of that weight.

 

[Tayski]

IIRC even Tenshin has a Muay Thai background, not sure though.

Tenshin started in Kyokushin as a very young kid and then Kickboxing in his teenage years. He did eventually study Muay Thai but his background is Kyokushin and then Kickboxing.

 

[Tayski]

If you want to keep trolling here then you are playing with fire already having dubs. I've ended many trolls careers, you can be next.

We got rid of spacetime, it would be great to get rid of this clown too. Make the trolls fear this subforum!

 

[PhanKS]

Fujiwara
Bill
Nadaka
JWP
Starbowsky
Rafi
Dekkers
Villaume

Order from best to last best.