Best Discipline For Self Defense?

[ClearTwoClose]

I know this may not be the correct forum, but I wasn't sure where to post!

If you had virtually no training experience and were looking to prepare for a stint in prison, which art would you study?

I'm leaning more towards the "hand-to-hand combat systems", or "reality based systems" (i.e., Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do, etc) as opposed to the "sport arts" (i.e., Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, etc.). Any suggestions?

 

[Sweet Lew]

This has been discussed to death in another thread. It's a pity the search function sucks so very much. Try looking ahead a few pages. I know it's tedious but you'll be doing yourself a favour.

From what I remember, the consensus was Krav Maga and boxing.

 

[Kellogg's]

... a stint in prison...

ouch

 

[Corey Roberts]

LMAO Join a gang as soon as you get in there or already be connected. If a group of 5 people want to rape, beat or kill you, odds are they're going to do it and there is not a thing you can do about it.

 

[ILikeBread]

Muay Thai.

TBH, I think the sport based martial arts (most of them at least) are also the best martial arts for self-defense.

Sport martial arts are so well refined, you learn simple but brutal techniques and train them over and over again. Then you test these techniques against resisting opponents by sparring. You try to beat them, they try to beat you. You also can gain a lot of experience fighting in tournaments, at an amateur level, etc.

Muay Thai is a sport based martial art, but I don't think that anyone will tell you that it isn't dangerous or brutal.

 

[lukey]

Muay Thai.

TBH, I think the sport based martial arts (most of them at least) are also the best martial arts for self-defense.

Sport martial arts are so well refined, you learn simple but brutal techniques and train them over and over again. Then you test these techniques against resisting opponents by sparring. You try to beat them, they try to beat you. You also can gain a lot of experience fighting in tournaments, at an amateur level, etc.

Muay Thai is a sport based martial art, but I don't think that anyone will tell you that it isn't dangerous or brutal.

This man speaks the truth.

 

[Corey Roberts]

Then you test these techniques against resisting opponents by sparring. You try to beat them, they try to beat you.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, there is no substitute for sparring. You can do all the partner drills, kata's, shadowboxing etc in the world but unless you get in there and spar at 100% intensity on a consistent basis you'll never become competent in the art of fighting.

 

[Too Defensive**]

If you had virtually no training experience and were looking to prepare for a stint in prison, which art would you study?

Watch Lockup on MSNBC. I think there is an episode on shank making

 

[brian13]

Muay Thai

 

[pimpstrocity]

Muay Thai.

TBH, I think the sport based martial arts (most of them at least) are also the best martial arts for self-defense.

Sport martial arts are so well refined, you learn simple but brutal techniques and train them over and over again. Then you test these techniques against resisting opponents by sparring. You try to beat them, they try to beat you. You also can gain a lot of experience fighting in tournaments, at an amateur level, etc.

Muay Thai is a sport based martial art, but I don't think that anyone will tell you that it isn't dangerous or brutal.

great way of putting it

a lot of gyms like the aikido and shit say they are self defence oriented and dont spar because its too dangerous but its a bunch of bull shit

go with a tried and true style, not one that caters to fantasy's about you being a real life jason bourne

 

[thirteen]

Watch Lockup on MSNBC. I think there is an episode on shank making

or buy the Oz DVD Box Set. lol.
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[DrunkMonkMeth]

krav magra, judo(for defence) boxing and muay thai

 

[singdawg]

number 1 thing. Train.

find an aspect of combat you like - punching, kicking, elbowing, kneeing, clinch work, takedowns, ground positions and transitions, standing submissions, ground submissions (chokes, joint locks), weapons, realistic stuff, ect, up to you, but chose it, and learn it.

Then move on to expanding your knowledge on all of these.

I'd suggest finding a judo dojo that also does japanese jiu jitsu, and perhaps a form of striking (not really what you need to worry about right away cuz u got alot of knowledge of things you should learn first, like how not to give someone your back) but they NEED to spar alot.

Sparring is key. If you can find a gym that does sparring in different ways, ie, full contact mma style, just boxing, just kick boxing, just standup takedowns, wrestling to a pin, grappling to a submission from standing or starting from knees, its good. Try to find one that'll teach all these different aspects and you'll improve quick.

one thing to remember is you gotta get used to someone who knows some things coming after you. Not everyone is going to be a pushover. Sure train a few combos for when haymakers are coming at you but don't go overboard. I doubt you'll ever need to fight that way very much.

 

[Valentin]

Muay thai. MT fighters are tought to be fast, explosive, brutal an mentally prepared for fighting. Without sparring it can't be developed.

 

[nefti]

anystyle that let's you feel real pain.

 

[shouldercharge]

the only problem with training in a variety of styles is thast it will take longer to get good in any of them,if you need to train to protect your self in jail chances are youve got a limited time period,i would stick to arts that become effective quickly.
mma
judo
boxing
muay thai
wrestling
bjj

get some grappling(judo) and some striking(boxing) or just train mma as many times a week as possible.

 

[corwin137]

Oh Jeezus Christ.

Start with what is most likely to happen. Lots of intimidation and chest bumping scenarios, crashing, getting caught up in affrays that start between other folk, assassination style attempts (with tools in a lot of cases). MT is terribly, terribly useful in context, but isn't going to help much with the circumstances I'm pointing at.

You'd do better with a basic self-defense classes of some sort in this way, more than with MT. Again, no offense to MT. You'll get more about pre-fight issues, managing contacts, generalship, all issues more relevant than sqaring off and banging. They'll also teach you working from your back, dealing with tools, starting in shitty situations and working out of them and such. There's a glut of such things available.

Besides- you are likely not going to have the time to train something that requires a while to get good at, and doesn't cover all the bases necessary.

 

[KOnah]

If you know little or nothing about self defence and have little or no fight/survival experiences and time is short then you can't go wrong with Krav Maga.

Hope this thread doesn't end up in Wep&Tac now....

 

[mjw1]

As a CO I'd say that when most jail fights occur they are seldom 1 on 1 unless they are allowed by the shot callers of the decks so I wouldn't say any ground fighting based systems would be a good idea not that it would hurt to know some so I'd say boxing or maybe krav or one of the phillipino knife fighting systems if not just something very aggressive utilizing "dirty techniques"........

"Bullies fight to win, men fight to kill"

 

[KOnah]

You guys recommending Krav Maga... have you ever walked into a Krav gym and seen how bullshido that stuff actually is? Dont believe the marketing or the hype.

I think you'd have trouble finding someone who has done it for 6-12months+ that would call it "bullshido". No doubt there are crap schools (as with any art) but it is not in McDojoLand just yet...

The OP needs something simple, quick, brutal & effective that will give ways to deal with multiple attackers, weapons and extracting from bad situations, KM is all those things & more.