Bernie supporters options - now that he's preparing to concede.

[UrijahHall]

(I'm no fan of Bernie's politics, but I hate establishment politics.)

The BERNIE OR BUST movement had merit, except for one thing.... Bernie Sanders is not Bernie Or Bust! He already said he'd going to endorse Hillary Clinton and join the Democratic Party "for life".

Bernie doesn't have the killer instinct for politics. He could have made a tougher case against Hillary. In the end, his "revolution" was just politics as usual - because if he were a real revolutionary he would run as an independent.

Progressives are getting behind 3rd party candidate Jill Stein as an alternative to Bernie.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

 

[UrijahHall]

Would be cool to see independents challenge both parties in this election. They have little chance of winning, but they can undoubtedly shape the election & rock the establishment.

 

[Burning Hammer]

If Trump runs independent vote Trump and screw up the power structure. It's your civil duty, this is literally the only way I vote.

 

[Abezal]

Is it possible for there to be 4 pres candidates.

Trump and Ber as indi and Clit Dem and Whom ever douche for the Reps ?

 

[m52nickerson]

Well, the smartest thing they could do is realize that the closest person in policies in the race to Sanders is Clinton and vote for her.

 

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[ultramanhyata]

Well, the smartest thing they could do is realize that the closest person in policies in the race to Sanders is Clinton and vote for her.

Please provide some examples of Clinton policy positions that are closer than Stein's positions to the spirit and letter of Sanders' positions.

 

[BVG]

Vote Trump.

 

[Winnie The Foo]

I'll prob vote Gary Johnson. Hillary will probably still end up winning...but at least I can say I didn't vote for her.

 

[m52nickerson]

Please provide some examples of Clinton policy positions that are closer than Stein's positions to the spirit and letter of Sanders' positions.

Here are the website in which people can look.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

http://www.jill2016.com/plan

The other thing Sander supporters should realize is that even if they thing Steins positions are a better fit for them she, even with their support, has zero chance of winning.

 

[Makani]

I would hope most Bernie supporters understand what's going on. Hillary is far from perfect, but not voting or voting for some pipe dream independent is one step closer to losing the election to whatever sap the GOP puts up there. If the store runs out of milk, you don't go home and put orange juice on your Cheerios.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Here are the website in which people can look.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

http://www.jill2016.com/plan

The other thing Sander supporters should realize is that even if they thing Steins positions are a better fit for them she, even with their support, has zero chance of winning.

A lot of posters here do not give a shit about policy or improving the lives of real people. Shit, Ultra has actually stated that he would rather see people suffer so that they come around to his thinking than get moderate improvement (if some kids have to go hungry to prove how cool Ultra is, well, that's an acceptable price to pay). Sheltered leftists with no ability to empathize are not coming around, but their numbers aren't large enough to matter.

 

[ultramanhyata]

The other thing Sander supporters should realize is that even if they thing Steins positions are a better fit for them she, even with their support, has zero chance of winning.

And this is what you were trying to avoid saying the first time.

You're a strict two party, lesser-of-two-evils, political establishment guy. It's OK. Just let it out. We're all friends here.

 

[ultramanhyata]

A lot of posters here do not give a shit about policy or improving the lives of real people. Shit, Ultra has actually stated that he would rather see people suffer so that they come around to his thinking than get moderate improvement.

Just going to keep repeating this completely fabricated slander in multiple threads.

Then accuse others of being "bitter" and "hateful".

You possess a truly diseased mind.

 

[Jack V Savage]

And this is what you were trying to avoid saying the first time.

You're a strict two party, lesser-of-two-evils, political establishment guy. It's OK. Just let it out. We're all friends here.

So the fundamental divide is between people who think that voting is like joining a fan club or that the purpose of it is to show how cool you are and people who think that voting is about trying to move policy in a direction that you think would be beneficial to the nation.

Just going to keep repeating this completely fabricated slander in multiple threads.

Then accuse others of being "bitter" and "hateful".

You possess a truly diseased mind.

Er, you just posted this:

Four years of a flailing, ineffectual, stone-walled (by both the dems and most of his own party), internationally embarrassing Trump will do far more to advance the progressive agenda in America than four years of establishment centrist Hillary.

One of many times you made the exact same point. It's weird how you swing between making that point and viciously denying it multiple times a day.

 

[m52nickerson]

And this is what you were trying to avoid saying the first time.

You're a strict two party, lesser-of-two-evils, political establishment guy. It's OK. Just let it out. We're all friends here.

I did not avoid saying anything. For anyone that can think critically it would have been obvious that Stein and the Green party have no chance. See I'm engaging is something called critical analysis. It is not that am a fan of simply having two parties, but I understand that this election only the two major party candidates have a chance of winning the general election.

 

[Deleted member 484047]

Maybe if fewer people thought that way and voted third party, we could get some actually change going in the system.

But no, vote for the two big ones and keep the status quo. Way to go guys, keep fucking that chicken.

 

[kpt018]

Maybe if fewer people thought that way and voted third party, we could get some actually change going in the system.

But no, vote for the two big ones and keep the status quo. Way to go guys, keep fucking that chicken.

Well, the thing is the two parties really do represent the views of the public. Of there's lots of nuance and you likely disagree with some positions or think there are better alternatives as policy, but most people align with a party fairly closely.

Third party candidates usually distinguish themselves by taking somewhat extreme positions, which turn off most people, like Libertarians for example. They're basically liberal on social issues and foreign policy and extremely conservative on domestic issues like regulation and taxes. They end up in a place where very few people align with those views.

Plus guys like Bernie realize that if they ran 3rd party they basically guarantee a win for the other party.

 

[panamaican]

Sanders supporters should simply move to Hillary or Jill or write in Bernie or...who cares. The man is a lifelong Democrat that has consistently voted for existing Democratic programs and largely aligns with the Democratic platform, with some differences on how he plans to achieve their shared goals.

I don't even know what he stands for that makes him a unique candidate in the DNC.