Bernie and Shane Carwin

[Diamond Jim]

Does this mean Hillary has a giant sword tattoo on her chest?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Say what? She wants to do this:

Hillary’s plan will tackle dangerous risks in the financial system:

• Impose a risk fee on the largest financial institutions. Banks and financial companies would be required to pay a fee based on their size and their risk of contributing to another financial crisis.
  
  
• Close the Volcker Rule’s hedge fund loophole. The Volcker Rule prohibits banks from making risky trading bets with taxpayer-backed money—one of the core protections of the post-financial crisis Wall Street reforms. However, under current law these banks can still invest billions through hedge funds, which are exempt from this rule. Hillary would close that loophole and strengthen the law.
  
  
• Discourage excessive risk-taking by making senior bankers accountable. Senior managers should lose some or all of their bonus compensation when a large bank suffers losses that threaten its overall financial health.
  
  
• Make sure no firm is ever too big and too risky to be managed effectively.Hillary’s plan would give regulators more authority to force overly complex or risky firms to reorganize, downsize, or break apart.
  
  
• Tackle financial dangers of the “shadow banking” system. Hillary’s plan will enhance transparency and reduce volatility in the “shadow banking system,” which includes certain activities of hedge funds, investment banks, and other non-bank financial companies.
  
  
• Impose a tax on high-frequency trading. The growth of high-frequency trading has unnecessarily placed stress on our markets, created instability, and enabled unfair and abusive trading strategies. Hillary would impose a tax on harmful high-frequency trading and reform rules to make our stock markets fairer, more open, and transparent.

Hillary would also hold both corporations and individuals on Wall Street accountable by:

• Prosecuting individuals when they break the law. Hillary would extend the statute of limitations for prosecuting major financial frauds, enhance whistleblower rewards, and provide the Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission more resources to prosecute wrongdoing.
  
  
• Holding executives accountable when they are responsible for their subordinates’ misconduct. Hillary believes that when corporations pay large fines to the government for violating the law, those fines should cut into the bonuses of the executives who were responsible for or should have caught the problem. And when egregious misconduct happens on an executive’s watch, that executive should lose his or her job.
  
  
• Holding corporations accountable when they break the law. As she enhances individual accountability, Hillary will make sure that corporations don’t treat penalties for breaking the law as merely a cost of doing business, so that we can put an end to the patterns of corporate wrongdoing that we see too often today.

Doesn't sound like something Goldman would support.

I stopped listening to words politicians say, long ago, including bernie.

Actions not words for me.

 

[kpt018]

I stopped listening to words politicians say, long ago, including bernie.

Actions not words for me.

I suspect that some of the things that make Bernie appealing to you are based on what he will do and not what he has done. Like a single payer system for example (he supported the ACA).

 

[VivaRevolution]

I suspect that some of the things that make Bernie appealing to you are based on what he will do and not what he has done. Like a single payer system for example (he supported the ACA).

Fair enough, but I would describe it as icing on the cake, not the cake itself.

 

[kpt018]

Fair enough, but I would describe it as icing on the cake, not the cake itself.

I would describe it as blowing up what we have in place now. A single payer is a massive change!

 

[theBLADE1]

I would describe it as blowing up what we have in place now. A single payer is a massive change!

He would not be repealing aca while fighting for single payer. This is another lie from the Clinton campaign.

 

[kpt018]

He would not be repealing aca while fighting for single payer. This is another lie from the Clinton campaign.

A single payer is fundamentally (and pretty drastically) different from the ACA.

 

[theBLADE1]

A single payer is fundamentally (and pretty drastically) different from the ACA.

What's your point? I never said they weren't I said Sanders would not be repealing the ACA while fighting for single payer legislation. That's a myth and a lie.

Also God forbid all Americans have a right to healthcare

 

[kpt018]

What's your point? I never said they weren't I said Sanders would not be repealing the ACA while fighting for single payer legislation. That's a myth and a lie.

Also God forbid all Americans have a right to healthcare

What is your point? You quoted me, remember? I didn't suggest he would repeal the ACA while pushing for a single payer, I just clarified the point that it's a major and fundamental change.

And of course I support access to healthcare for all Americans. I think we can improve the ACA and make sure that is achieved without completely blowing up the healthcare system we have.

 

[theBLADE1]

What is your point? You quoted me, remember? I didn't suggest he would repeal the ACA while pushing for a single payer, I just clarified the point that it's a major and fundamental change.

And of course I support access to healthcare for all Americans. I think we can improve the ACA and make sure that is achieved without completely blowing up the healthcare system we have.

It doesn't mean it would be a change for the worst. And blowing up the healthcare system we have seems to imply Sanders wants to end ACA completely so im clarifying. Alot of Clinton supporters believe that. Also, how exactly is she going to improve the ACA? Hillary keeps saying that but has yet to say how she would go about doing it or what she would make better.

 

[kpt018]

It doesn't mean it would be a change for the worst. And blowing up the healthcare system we have seems to imply Sanders wants to end ACA completely so im clarifying. Alot of Clinton supporters believe that. Also, how exactly is she going to improve the ACA? Hillary keeps saying that but has yet to say how she would go about doing it or what she would make better.

It's not necessarily a change for the better. For one a single payer would put 500k insurance workers on the unemployment line. And it sounds to me like he is really overestimating the cost savings (of course I would be on board to save 50% in premiums but I don't think it's realistic).

I am not sure if Hillary released details on that.

 

[Pelosi2020]

He would not be repealing aca while fighting for single payer. This is another lie from the Clinton campaign.

I'm in favor of single payer but the Clinton is right about this. ACA gets completely dissolved if we go to single payer. It is dishonest on Bernie's part to say he would not be fighting against it.

The problem is that the democrat party doesn't need their own communist version of the TEA party trying to hold the rest of the party hostage. "If we can't have socialized everything, insane government spending, and taxes galore, we are going to withhold our vote in the general election."

This is going to be a very close election and Bernie needs to get his communist butt on board come Wednesday.

 

[theBLADE1]

It's not necessarily a change for the better. For one a single payer would put 500k insurance workers on the unemployment line. And it sounds to me like he is really overestimating the cost savings (of course I would be on board to save 50% in premiums but I don't think it's realistic).

I am not sure if Hillary released details on that.

I still believe that Sanders would implement some type of Transfer program for all of those people but I also think none of them would have any problems getting a job elsewhere.

And no she hasn't released any details about how she would expand ACA.

 

[theBLADE1]

communist butt

I was going to reply to you with some substance but then you showed your true colors. I'm not going to placate to your spewing of misinformation.

 

[Pelosi2020]

It's not necessarily a change for the better. For one a single payer would put 500k insurance workers on the unemployment line. And it sounds to me like he is really overestimating the cost savings (of course I would be on board to save 50% in premiums but I don't think it's realistic).

I am not sure if Hillary released details on that.

Has Bernie ever once mentioned cost controls?
Single payer with no cost controls would be a disaster. I'm sure the medical industry wouldn't mind that arrangement though.
It really makes me think he is just saying whatever makes people clap. "Who wants free college???"

 

[VivaRevolution]

I would describe it as blowing up what we have in place now. A single payer is a massive change!

What we have now is destined to fail, because it hasn't had a significant effect on spiraling out of control costs.

Democrats had 6 years to fix price controls, what makes you think something would be different under Clinton?

Edit: Also I don't see how trying to pass single payer, somehow destroys Obamacare, if the effort for single payer fails.....Could you explain that idea to me?

Also isn't Clinton running on a Public option platform now?

 

[kpt018]

I still believe that Sanders would implement some type of Transfer program for all of those people but I also think none of them would have any problems getting a job elsewhere.

And no she hasn't released any details about how she would expand ACA.

I'd like to hear him address that as well as the criticisms to his projections. But Hillary had a good day yesterday.

 

[kpt018]

Has Bernie ever once mentioned cost controls?
Single payer with no cost controls would be a disaster. I'm sure the medical industry wouldn't mind that arrangement though.
It really makes me think he is just saying whatever makes people clap. "Who wants free college???"

I wouldn't say that. He makes a legitimate attempt to explain how these programs will be paid for. I believe he would charge 2% additional tax on everyone to cover healthcare. His claim is the tax would be lower than premiums for most people but there are criticisms of that (the projections are too aggressive).

I think Bernie is a genuinely good dude with his heart in the right place. I do align with him on where the country should go fundamentally, but I am a realist. I would rather pass things that allow progress and not necessarily a massive overhaul that has negative consequences.

BTW, I agree with Bernie on free public university. It's a great idea.

 

[kpt018]

What we have now is destined to fail, because it hasn't had a significant effect on spiraling out of control costs.

Democrats had 6 years to fix price controls, what makes you think something would be different under Clinton?

Edit: Also I don't see how trying to pass single payer, somehow destroys Obamacare, if the effort for single payer fails.....Could you explain that idea to me?

Also isn't Clinton running on a Public option platform now?

But we see that cost growth is under control now, but I guess it depends on your definition of "under control". Cost growth has slowed dramatically. And many people are now covered than ever before.

The fundamental difference between a single payer and the ACA is that the latter utilizes the system we have. It is a market based health care system. A single payer completely removes insurance companies away from the equation and covers costs with an additional tax.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What we have now is destined to fail, because it hasn't had a significant effect on spiraling out of control costs.

Yes it has. Cost growth is near all-time lows.