Bellator is signing American wrestlers while the UFC is ...... not

[ArmenianAssasin]

The ufc doesn’t let you debut unless you’re a CM Punk caliber wrestler.

Brock
James toney

Unless you can make them some money

 

[Pakman]

the ufc doesn’t sign unproven guys unless they’re a casual draw (hardy, brick, toney, cm punk) or a Gracie

I’m not saying the ufc doesn’t employ boring fighters — but I don’t think they see such big value in these guys that they’ll sign them to a development deal like bellator does

Let them prove themselves like the aforementioned Cormier and Romero and I’m sure the ufc will re-evaluate their position

As for Ruth — he’s a special
Athlete but the performance against Jackson for me was Andy wangesque

He had a clear and easy path to victory but refused to go to it and made it a contentious decision while almost being stopped

I hear you but this is how some stars are born. Pride did it multiple times and created a few stars that way. The UFC could make almost anyone interesting if they pumped the promotion into them.

As far as Ruth's last fight, thats part of the growing pains. He'll learn n get better. Maybe. His fight IQ is def a bit lacking, not just based on this fight but the one vs Neiman as well.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I hear you but this is how some stars are born. Pride did it multiple times and created a few stars that way. The UFC could make almost anyone interesting if they pumped the promotion into them.

As far as Ruth's last fight, thats part of the growing pains. He'll learn n get better. Maybe. His fight IQ is def a bit lacking, not just based on this fight but the one vs Neiman as well.

The UFC doesn't promote fighters much, they promote their brand.

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

The UFC doesn't promote fighters much, they promote their brand.

Partially true — they give fighters the opportunities / venues needed for them to promote themselves

Look at the push / promo time askren got
Upon entry into the ufc

Then you have guys like Islam makachev and Leo santos

 

[Bangkok ready d1]

Maybe thats why most bellator fights suck

 

[stipeszn]

Well, if the UFC focuses on style over substance, then yes.

Really simple if you think about it.

Bellator is signing these guys when they are 0-0. That isn't substance lmao. Majority of them will fail in the sport, and the UFC will collect the successful ones. Pretty simple stuff

 

[Bill Laimbeer]

Brock
James toney

Unless you can make them some money

Brock didn’t debut in the UFC chief.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Partially true — they give fighters the opportunities / venues needed for them to promote themselves

Look at the push / promo time askren got
Upon entry into the ufc

Then you have guys like Islam makachev and Leo santos

I would say it's mostly true, the UFC doesn't really promote fighters, they want the fighters to promote themselves, if a fighter doesn't promote themselves the UFC doesn't do it.

 

[kflo]

The UFC doesn't promote fighters much, they promote their brand.

every fight card is very much about the fighters on the card.

 

[kflo]

I would say it's mostly true, the UFC doesn't really promote fighters, they want the fighters to promote themselves, if a fighter doesn't promote themselves the UFC doesn't do it.

of course the ufc promotes them. they just don't have a dramatic impact without the fans caring about the fighter, which comes from the fighter, through a combination of performance, personality (and looks).

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

Brick didn’t debut in the UFC cheif.

I forgot about the dynamite fight but you know what I mean

 

[AZ103]

I think the UFC is just tired of wrestlers just laying on top of guys for 15 minutes. The last fight with Emil Meke for example.

Then implement stalling calls for people in dominant postions or stalling in general. If you add a time limit stalling becomes a problem.

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

I would say it's mostly true, the UFC doesn't really promote fighters, they want the fighters to promote themselves, if a fighter doesn't promote themselves the UFC doesn't do it.

But the ufc has to provide them with the venue to do so

Some take it and run with it (Conor , Colby)

While others really can’t make a big name for themselves (Mighty Mouse , stipe)

 

[DesiredUserName]

Why would UFC waste money and resources to sign those guys when Belator is willingly doing the hard work, developing them from the ground up??

All UFC should do is to scoop them up once they are ripe.

Sooner or later that will bite you in the behind...Ultimately, laziness never pays.

 

[YellowBanenoo]

Sooner or later that will bite you in the behind...Ultimately, laziness never pays.

You call it lazy I call it smart.

Company's astronomical growth should tell you which one is the case.

 

[DesiredUserName]

You call it lazy I call it smart.

Company's astronomical growth should tell you which one is the case.

Astronomical growth due to astronomical head start, no?

 

[Darkart]

Keep them in the closet along with Bellator

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

But the ufc has to provide them with the venue to do so

Some take it and run with it (Conor , Colby)

While others really can’t make a big name for themselves (Mighty Mouse , stipe)

Yeah, that's not the UFC promoting them, that's the UFC allowing them to promote themselves. The UFC doesn't really build stars, they mostly just sign them from other organizations after they are stars. I'm not saying they are wrong for doing so cause they are the biggest organization in MMA so that allows them to do that, i'm just saying how it is.

 

[Local Plata]

More like a lot of wrestlers are starting in lower leagues, early in their careers, and bellator is one of those leagues. If any of them pans out, the UFC will certainly swoop them up.

 

[snackgod]

Good fighters ? Sure

But hardly stars — looks who’s headlining the ppvs

bellator doesnt do ppvs so it apples and oranges.

some of belaltor best fighters are home ground fighters.