Bellator is signing American wrestlers while the UFC is ...... not

[ArmenianAssasin]

bump for fortune and ed ruth hype

 

[TheBrownRanger]

Fortune got murdered by an average UFC Heavyweight today.

There's a huge skill differential between Bellator's cans/journeymen and their top dudes. Very few of those prospects ever make it to Bellator championship level. AJ McKee and Rafael Lovato are some of the few successful Bellator prospects.

 

[kingmob6]

UFC is busy signing Sambo specialists...

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

can amosav throw a straight punch?

does ruth have idea how to take the back?

 

[SalvadorAllende]

can amosav throw a straight punch?

does ruth have idea how to take the back?

I was really surprised by Amosov grappling.

 

[saffo]

I think that's been the basic UFC business style since at least the late 00's, don't invest early in talent but rather have other prompters do it for you or force fighters to build themselves up for years in tiny orgs.

Its a good way to maximise profit because the risk is fairly low, your signing fighters you know have transitioned into MMA reasonably well and indeed that have committed to MMA already needing no "come and get me" money.

Its the main reason the MMA talent pool is weakening in the higher weightclasses IMHO, if the UFC wanted to for example I think they could have raided a ton of kickboxing talent from orgs like Glory and Kunlun but they'd have needed to pay out to do it as was the case with guys like Crocop and Hunt back in the day. Someone like Spong crying out to be signed by them but no interest, probably because he cost too much.

All that effort for the superior reebok shirts&shoes

 

[blaseblah]

Just a rundown of the American wrestlers in Bellator:

Tyrell Fortune
Age: 29
Weight: 265 lbs
Height: 6'2

7-0 in MMA 7-0 in Bellator
5 finishes

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st MMA fight.
Career Highlights

• 2014: Team USA Ranking No. 3 at 125 KG

Romero Cotton
Age: 28
Weight: 185lbs
Height: 5'10

3-0 in MMA 3-0 in Bellator
2 finishes

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

50-10 (44-3 vs. D2 competition)
3-time All-American
2014 and 2015 national champ
2014 and 2015 MIAA champ

Logan Storley

Age: 27
Weight: 170lbs
Height: 5'9

10-0 in MMA 5-0 in Bellator
7 finishes

119-27 as a college competitor

Ed Ruth
Age: 29
Weight: 170 lbs
Height: 6'1

8-1 in MMA 7-1 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

3 time NCAA Division 1 Wrestling Champ in Folk Wrestling
2 time World Wrestling Champ in Freestyle Wrestling

Ty-wan Claxton
Age: 26
Weight: 145 lbs
Height: 5'8

5-1 in MMA 5-1 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

All-American status in Division 2 at the 141-pound weight class
Two time division 1 national qualifier

Joey Davis
Age: 25
Weight: 170 lbs
Height: 5'11

6-0 in MMA 6-0 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

Two-time California State champion wrestler, three-time State finalist and two-time national champion in High School.
He was the third undefeated NCAA wrestler over a four-year career ever and the first wrestler in the history of the NCAA Division II to end his entire career undefeated. He finished his career with a 133-0 Division II record.

Jarod Trice
Age: 30
Weight: a few divisions
Height: 6'0

4-0 in MMA 4-0 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

3 time All American









Now I remember many many years ago during the early shootings of TUF. I remember Dana White saying after a fight( I can't remember what one) he said, "If you can't get back to your feet then you don't belong here".
Where did that Dana go? Seems for the past few years Dana has hated wrestlers.

When the UFC does get wrestlers, they are normally foreign ones. They pick up foreign wrestlers and then pair them up with someone that doesn't have a wrestling base. That shit pisses me off so much because Americans are very good at wrestling. The UFC needs foreign fighters and most high level ones have a wrestling base so the UFC doesn't have a choice.

How is it that Bellator can sign so many wrestlers without an MMA record and we see they go undefeated or have a great record after a few fights?

Is Bellators scouting better than the UFCs now? Does the UFC feel like they don't have to go scouting for fighters? Does the UFC just not want wrestlers anymore, if they can help it?

I know Bellator has more wrestlers but I posted some that maybe you haven't heard of or that they fight now.

They've been signing a ton of these wrestling prospects since Bubba Jenkins back in 2013 and none of them have panned out yet as top tier fighters. I'm not sure their approach is working and I wonder how much money they have spent on these guys.

 

[Grenades]

Lol so when Fortune and Ruth and all these guys get there what will they be? Don’t be an idiot, don’t be that guy that says everyone sucks and then looks like a retard when they come to UFC and wreck shop. I saw so many idiots talk about Cormier/Romero etc and then when they get to the UFC they change their mind real quick.

Jesus you’re angry. Maybe take a cycle or two off.

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

I was really surprised by Amosov grappling.

He's a very good grappler - world class sambo player

He was very close to taking Ruth's leg in the 2nd round

 

[Chael_Sonnen]

Just a rundown of the American wrestlers in Bellator:

Tyrell Fortune
Age: 29
Weight: 265 lbs
Height: 6'2

7-0 in MMA 7-0 in Bellator
5 finishes

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st MMA fight.
Career Highlights

• 2014: Team USA Ranking No. 3 at 125 KG

Romero Cotton
Age: 28
Weight: 185lbs
Height: 5'10

3-0 in MMA 3-0 in Bellator
2 finishes

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

50-10 (44-3 vs. D2 competition)
3-time All-American
2014 and 2015 national champ
2014 and 2015 MIAA champ

Logan Storley

Age: 27
Weight: 170lbs
Height: 5'9

10-0 in MMA 5-0 in Bellator
7 finishes

119-27 as a college competitor

Ed Ruth
Age: 29
Weight: 170 lbs
Height: 6'1

8-1 in MMA 7-1 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

3 time NCAA Division 1 Wrestling Champ in Folk Wrestling
2 time World Wrestling Champ in Freestyle Wrestling

Ty-wan Claxton
Age: 26
Weight: 145 lbs
Height: 5'8

5-1 in MMA 5-1 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

All-American status in Division 2 at the 141-pound weight class
Two time division 1 national qualifier

Joey Davis
Age: 25
Weight: 170 lbs
Height: 5'11

6-0 in MMA 6-0 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

Two-time California State champion wrestler, three-time State finalist and two-time national champion in High School.
He was the third undefeated NCAA wrestler over a four-year career ever and the first wrestler in the history of the NCAA Division II to end his entire career undefeated. He finished his career with a 133-0 Division II record.

Jarod Trice
Age: 30
Weight: a few divisions
Height: 6'0

4-0 in MMA 4-0 in Bellator

Bellator signed him and gave him his 1st fight.

3 time All American









Now I remember many many years ago during the early shootings of TUF. I remember Dana White saying after a fight( I can't remember what one) he said, "If you can't get back to your feet then you don't belong here".
Where did that Dana go? Seems for the past few years Dana has hated wrestlers.

When the UFC does get wrestlers, they are normally foreign ones. They pick up foreign wrestlers and then pair them up with someone that doesn't have a wrestling base. That shit pisses me off so much because Americans are very good at wrestling. The UFC needs foreign fighters and most high level ones have a wrestling base so the UFC doesn't have a choice.

How is it that Bellator can sign so many wrestlers without an MMA record and we see they go undefeated or have a great record after a few fights?

Is Bellators scouting better than the UFCs now? Does the UFC feel like they don't have to go scouting for fighters? Does the UFC just not want wrestlers anymore, if they can help it?

I know Bellator has more wrestlers but I posted some that maybe you haven't heard of or that they fight now.

So true. If Dana had signed more American wrestlers, Khabib would never be champ.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

So true. If Dana had signed more American wrestlers, Khabib would never be champ.

But who are these American wrestlers that would beat Khabib? I can't think of any off the top of my head. We talking about Chandler here? Kevin Lee? Iaquin- oh, wait...


LW is just not a wrestler-heavy division to begin with and it's also the deepest division in the sport. Hmmm...