Bellator 605k viewers / UFC 574k. UFC is dying proof

[antithetic]

The fans Ronda and Conor brought in must be jumping ship.

 

[Based Akali]

Nunes had two devastating KO's on two huge PPV's that she main evented & could not build a fanbase
This one is not on UFC
She should have been a superstar from Tate at 200 & then retiring RR

You can't build a fan base unless you're a massive shit talker like McGregor(So basically doing the UFC's job of promoting for free) because the UFC aren't going to do their job and properly promote you. The promotion aspect of the UFC has always been garbage, that's why they currently have zero stars with drawing power.

 

[tithas]

You can't build a fan base unless you're a massive shit talker like McGregor(So basically doing the UFC's job of promoting for free) because the UFC aren't going to do their job and properly promote you. The promotion aspect of the UFC has always been garbage, that's why they currently have zero stars with drawing power.

You cannot promote someone with the personality of a wet paper bag. Most fighters are borderline functional and uninteresting as all fuck.

 

[PalmStrike]

The Bellator tournament is a joke, it’s filled with guys past their prime and Light Heavyweights and the best actual Heavyweight in the thing left the UFC on a L to...

Ronda Rousey’s husband, and don’t even get me started on Kimbo/Dada and Shamrock/Gracie.

The UFC’s biggest issue is fighters ducking/sitting out and injuries/weight cuts/USADA, if they could get that sorted and we could actually see fights like Khabib/Tony and Dillashaw/MM everything would be okay.

The UFC has a bunch of good fights they can make and they’ve made some of them like Whittaker/Romero, Stipe/DC and Holloway/Ortega but there’s other fights that need to be made too.

Soooo the UFCs biggest issue is 5 different issues?

 

[FrankieNYC]

You can't build a fan base unless you're a massive shit talker like McGregor(So basically doing the UFC's job of promoting for free) because the UFC aren't going to do their job and properly promote you. The promotion aspect of the UFC has always been garbage, that's why they currently have zero stars with drawing power.

Khabib is slowly building a fanbase
If Khabib KO'd Conor in the first round (like Nunes did with RR), he would be a huge draw, like Nate could be

She had two huge showcases & had her two best fights & nobody cared.
That is not on UFC

Others you can build a good case for, but not her

 

[Meathead Jock]

So a steroid user that has never won a big fight moving up 2 weigh classes to to fight a guy that hasn’t beat anyone relevant in 6 years moves your needle?

Neither fight has any appeal. A bunch of washed up guys and a top LHW that nobody has ever clamoured to see. If you find this interesting I would assume you are mildly retarded.

Cool thanks for your thoughts.

 

[Judoka1532]

Need more proof?

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Be...nce-of-605000-to-Paramount-Network-CMT-136711

Also PPV did 85k. LOL.

UFC is dying bro.

Oh yea I forgot to add....
Dern possibly could have eaten a wealth of fans before the fight

 

[Bill Laimbeer]

There's a subforum just for those threads. Probably why you haven't heard of it. Otherwise the whole front page would be all Chael vs Fedor.

No I cruise all the forums and have never heard anyone mention this match up before it was made sorry, keep lying and something may stick.

 

[dns2344]

The feelings that get hurt in the threads on this topic (tongue in cheek or not) make it very entertaining to read. You can almost hear the heightened heart beat as the responder scrambles for stats to prove otherwise.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

No I cruise all the forums and have never heard anyone mention this match up before it was made sorry, keep lying and something may stick.

Did you search for "Chael vs Fedor"? It's there.

 

[Portland8242]

Say what you want but the gap between the UFC and Bellator has closed significantly in the last calendar year.

UFC has tons of awesome fights to make but they keep doing this useless fucking WMMA shit.

 

[68WCombatMedic]

Need more proof?

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Be...nce-of-605000-to-Paramount-Network-CMT-136711

Also PPV did 85k. LOL.

UFC is dying bro.

 

[Thesnake101]

Did you search for "Chael vs Fedor"? It's there.

Don't you need a membership to enter that one though?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Don't you need a membership to enter that one though?

Ah, there's the problem right there.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Hey @FrankieNYC, you've probably answered this before, but is there an estimate at how many PPVs need to be sold for a given event to break even? Seems like 85K PPV sales might barely break even or be a loss.

 

[JKS]

TLDR

Are you really that easy to troll?

I guess so

I couldnt tell OK!

You get it ...
Few things to piggy back on

1. The 85k number is BS. There are no numbers yet, but it certainly could be that low (I predicted under 100k)
2. UFC will be worth $6b in 2019. That is a 50% increase in 2.5 years. That is the opposite off death
3. Comparing prelim numbers to a tentpole event is silly. Both numbers sucked though.
4. UFC grossed 35x what Bellator did in 2017 & Bellator lost money in 2017 (according to John Nash) while UFC made a rumored $275-300m profit

Now the Nunes/Pennington bombed huge. No arguing that.
MMA is in a bad slump interest wise, but as a company UFC is as sound financially as they can be.

A good way to put it is:
UFC are less of a fight promotion but more of a content provider these days. That is where the money is & why they make bank in a low interest year.

On point!

 

[Based Akali]

Khabib is slowly building a fanbase
If Khabib KO'd Conor in the first round (like Nunes did with RR), he would be a huge draw, like Nate could be

She had two huge showcases & had her two best fights & nobody cared.
That is not on UFC

Others you can build a good case for, but not her

Khabib nor Nate will never be big draws, regardless of what they do to Conor. They won't promote themselves via obscene acts and trash talk like Conor does. Nobody cares about any fighter because the UFC do not promote properly, you would have a case of it being solely her fault if the UFC were building other stars, but they aren't because they can't.

How many stars have come into the UFC that have been able to sell? Blaming the fighters for the UFC's inability to do their job as a promotion is wrong.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

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[20falarVerdades]

You can't build a fan base unless you're a massive shit talker like McGregor(So basically doing the UFC's job of promoting for free) because the UFC aren't going to do their job and properly promote you. The promotion aspect of the UFC has always been garbage, that's why they currently have zero stars with drawing power.

Not true

GSP, Ronda and Silva were not "massive shit talkers" and had a decent fan base.

 

[FrankieNYC]

Hey @FrankieNYC, you've probably answered this before, but is there an estimate at how many PPVs need to be sold for a given event to break even? Seems like 85K PPV sales might barely break even or be a loss.

It depends on arena & who is fighting

A 100k PPV for UFC brings in about 3.75-4.0m in PPV rev
Add in gate, sponsors & then subtract arena cost, pay, production, etc

A PPV in NYC at MSG will easily double expenses due to MSG rental, unions, hotels, taxes
That is why Bellator lost their shirt

UFC gets deals in Vegas (plus higher tix price) & that is why they do so many events there & even with a non sell-out, they do better than if they sell-out somewhere else (a lot of times)

So if you add in the cost of flying everyone to Brazil, I'd "guess" this PPV lost money, but I have no idea how expensive Brazil is to do an event from and/or any breaks they might get