Bellator 216 MVP vs Daley

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

I don't know why anyone would choose to stand with him with that terrible takedown defense.

I wouldn't call it "terrible" (that would be someone like Marion Reneau or modern-day Wanderlei Silva) or even "bad", but it's definitely not up to snuff at the level he is presently fighting at.

More concerning is that MVP did a poor job wall-walking, hip-escaping, or otherwise getting up. Daley's top control was not good at all.

 

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[Sadistics]

so was a Daley bet a good play? i think i Got him for a really good price at +200

it was a close fight despite Daley being at +200; he ended up losing, so in the end i still lost money despite getting him at really good odds.

is placing bets like this profitable in the long run?

Yes, that's what it's all about, finding innacurate lines and taking advantage of them. Obviously you can't win them all and it feels better betting a dog that you actually favour to win, but if your capping is accurate you'll come out ahead. For example, tonight I thought Daley and Kongo were at least 100 points off, bet them both and came out ahead going 1/2.

+$808 on the card with a lb on Kongo and the ME to GTD

 

[Rando]

so was a Daley bet a good play? i think i Got him for a really good price at +200

it was a close fight despite Daley being at +200; he ended up losing, so in the end i still lost money despite getting him at really good odds.

is placing bets like this profitable in the long run?

I think it was a smart bet personally

I think it's important to find good value underdog bets and this seems like a dog or pass situation with the information and tape available.

We got to see a different fight than most expected but we got to see what MVP is made of. He has obvious holes on the ground. I'm curious how his striking will work against other fighters in the top 50. I was not overly impressed with MVP and was not surprised to see it closer than many predicted. That being said he did deal with adversity well and finished with a strong round 5.

Paul Daley was too short to deal with the striking of MVP. I just wish MVP was more aggressive on the feet, because he likes to stay out of his opponents striking range. In that range, he chooses to do nothing a large majority of the time and taunt his opponents. I think the key to beating him is to come in with a barrage of punches as his chin is there to be hit and he seems to keep and open guard and rely on his head movement and agility to evade strikes. I think a fighter that is aggressive and trying to cut the angles against MVP to get his back towards the cage will have a lot of success. Because MVP likes to keep that range, if you can close that distance or even clinch perhaps you can keep him off his game.

I think he's going to have a terrible time against legit wrestlers. This fight showed the current blueprint to beat him. I dont think his take down defense, strength or ground game is near good enough to beat a strong wrestler. He will have a hard time defending takedowns and getting back up. There are a lot of fighters that can use the Paul Daley strategy tonight that would be able to finish MVP with strikes or a submission.

 

[Tebowned]

I wouldn't call it "terrible" (that would be someone like Marion Reneau or modern-day Wanderlei Silva) or even "bad", but it's definitely not up to snuff at the level he is presently fighting at.

More concerning is that MVP did a poor job wall-walking, hip-escaping, or otherwise getting up. Daley's top control was not good at all.

Wanderlei was taken down by a beast D1 wrestler in Chael Sonnen.

MVP was taken down by one of the worst wrestlers in WW history.

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

Wanderlei was taken down by a beast D1 wrestler in Chael Sonnen.

1. It's not just being taken down, but HOW Wanderlei got taken down, and that he had nothing to offer in terms of defense.

Chael was shooting in for doubles with zero set-up (what Jens Pulver calls "junior high school level wrestling") from far distance, again and again, and Wanderlei couldn't even slow him down, let alone stuff a single attempt.

2. Sonnen's wrestling now is very far what it was when he was an All-American wrestler in college.

Wrestling, just like striking, is a skill that declines with age.

MVP was taken down by one of the worst wrestlers in WW history.

That's silly. There are loads of guys at 170 with significantly worse wrestling than what Daley displayed.

I've never understood bettors who use such polemics. Yeah, the casual fan is prone to wild exaggeration ("greatest ever!", "worst ever!", "fantastic", "awful"), but thinking purely along those lines is a way to make mistakes.

 

[raketmannen]

I had money on Daley itd and MVP decision, would've been so much better if MVP got a flashy early KO though just so his hype would build even more so we could unload on Lima vs him at close to even odds. Will probably be sub -300 on Lima now.

 

[BaruchSpinoza]

I had money on Daley itd and MVP decision, would've been so much better if MVP got a flashy early KO though just so his hype would build even more so we could unload on Lima vs him at close to even odds. Will probably be sub -300 on Lima now.

Maybe, but a split decision to Fernando Gonzalez certainly wasn't enough to derail the hype train. Unfortunately MVP seems set on being the humble guy leading up to the Lima fight, we need him exuding confidence!

 

[Guffman]

Maybe, but a split decision to Fernando Gonzalez certainly wasn't enough to derail the hype train. Unfortunately MVP seems set on being the humble guy leading up to the Lima fight, we need him exuding confidence!

I don't think he wants to piss off Lima and make the beating he's going to get any worse.

 

[lefontes]

Im make more than 5u on all overs onn this event, just Wmma done in the first, all others four fights im make great profit.