Bellator 149 - shamrock vs gracie... again...

I'm not worried. I think its just older fans with that nostalgia throwing money on Royce.
 
^me too, strongly considering hedging out

my bets so far:

Ken Shamrock vs Royce Gracie: Ken Shamrock @1.46 (1unit)
Ken Shamrock vs Royce Gracie: Ken Shamrock @1.94 (1unit)
Ken Shamrock vs Royce Gracie: Over 1½ @2.10 (1unit)
Kimbo Slice vs Dhafir Harris: Kimbo Slice @1.37 (2unit)
Kimbo Slice vs Dhafir Harris: Over 1½ @5.00 (0,5unit)
 
man i just don't agree w/the big confidence on shamrock. i wanted to bet royce as a small dog. now idk what to do. shamrock dec maybe. still have o1.5.
 
EzFlyer said:
man i just don't agree w/the big confidence on shamrock. i wanted to bet royce as a small dog. now idk what to do. shamrock dec maybe. still have o1.5.
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What path to victory really is there for Royce other than subbing a gassed Ken? He's not gonna out strike Ken. If it's a grappling match that goes the distance it will be Ken in Royce's guard which means dec win for Ken. At evens it just seems like there's a TON of value on Ken imo.
 
mkess101 said:
What path to victory really is there for Royce other than subbing a gassed Ken? He's not gonna out strike Ken. If it's a grappling match that goes the distance it will be Ken in Royce's guard which means dec win for Ken. At evens it just seems like there's a TON of value on Ken imo.
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why can't he outstrike him? ken sucks on the feet and royce might literally win by just throwing a few punches/kicks, just volume.

royce has been active on bjj scene, right? seminars and shit?
 
EzFlyer said:
i'd be lying if i said i didn't think there was a possibility of this
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I'll never say it is impossible that an MMA fight could be fixed, but just speculating wildly with no evidence seems reckless. I mean, who exactly are you accusing here? Scott Coker and Viacom executives of orchestrating a fix? Why? Isn't the fight going to get ratings no matter who wins or how it plays out? Or do you think that either Royce or Ken would take a dive unilaterally and be smart enough to figure out how to spread money around betting against themselves to reap a payday in addition to their show money purse minus the loss of their win bonus if there is one.
 
EzFlyer said:
why can't he outstrike him? ken sucks on the feet and royce might literally win by just throwing a few punches/kicks, just volume.

royce has been active on bjj scene, right? seminars and shit?
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I agree Ken's striking sucks but I still think it's eons better than Royce's. Maybe I get proven wrong. Royce maybe doing some seminars and teaching but no actual competition of any kind that I know of. (Unless someone knows differently)?
 
The odds very high increased in favor Gracie. Whos bet on Royce high?

In training videos , Royce is dead... Shamrock still punchs and kicks "well".

Shamrock is "better" but Gracie win this by fixed. 0.5 unit on Gracie because all this.
 
We saw Tae Hyun Bang go from -150 to +400 and it wasn't fixed. Wouldn't be too concerned with Gracie going from +160 to -110
 
Joseph Budden said:
We saw Tae Hyun Bang go from -150 to +400 and it wasn't fixed. Wouldn't be too concerned with Gracie going from +160 to -110
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Bang talked before the fight thats hes sick but going to fight. In this bellator fight is strange a lot...
 
lefontes said:
Bang talked before the fight thats hes sick but going to fight. In this bellator fight is strange a lot...
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It would be strange if it was a huge swing, but I think the pro wrestling-ness of Bellator has people worried more than need be. If this were any other fight, no one would call fix lol. I honestly think its just old school fans who still see Royce as the ultimate legend. It would probably benefit Bellator more if Royce threw the fight since Ken seems to be the one sticking around.
 
Im gonna hold out could get Ken at dog odds. Im also playing Ken decision i highly doubt he stops Royce. He wont sub him and he only has two KO wins his whole career (think he punched Brian Johnston into submission if i remember right so three). Hell im gonna play Royce by KO too Ken's chin is so bad i wouldnt be surprised if Royce lands something flukey.
 
JimGunn said:
I'll never say it is impossible that an MMA fight could be fixed, but just speculating wildly with no evidence seems reckless. I mean, who exactly are you accusing here? Scott Coker and Viacom executives of orchestrating a fix? Why? Isn't the fight going to get ratings no matter who wins or how it plays out? Or do you think that either Royce or Ken would take a dive unilaterally and be smart enough to figure out how to spread money around betting against themselves to reap a payday in addition to their show money purse minus the loss of their win bonus if there is one.
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I generally agree. I would say that if a fighter WAS going to take a dive and spread $ around against themselves (which of course logistically would be quite a challenge) that a guy who's 52 would be a prime candidate LOL. But yeah I think the worries are probably totally unjustified.
 
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