Belal Muhammad help a father and son escape Gaza to live in the US

[Ramon Antonio]

I suppose because women and feminine men have a lot more influence in western nations.

Or because it takes a Muslim to truly understand a Muslim.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Good job!

 

[The Siege]

Yeah right. They will never leave. Many Muslims from safe countries come to our countries just for economic reasons alone. The refugee status is just an easy way to get in. The only way they will leave is if they can get our social wellfare while living like a king in their own country.

conflating economic immigrants who choose to move willingly with literal refugees leaving behind everything they own and fleeing to safety.

Sharp as a fucking cue ball, this one.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Lol the amount of Palestinians in Egypt is estimated 50-100k. On a population of 111 million. That's absolutely nothing.

The Netherlands has taken in more Syrian refugees and we are a densely populated country with only 17 million. Stop acting as if the Arab world has done their job when it comes to Palestinians lol.

They are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They don't want their 'brothers and sisters'.

The Gulf states want Arab wakanda to be a spear against Israel that is why they won't accept them. That and the Arab wakandans bring trouble with them. Look at Jordan.

 

[AmonTobin]

Wow this got moved to the war room?

Why was this sent to the War Room?

This clip was from Countdown?

Ya that’s weird. I guess because the comments got so politically heated. I’m not gonna read them but it looks like things went off the deep end as usual. Unfortunate.
Well since it’s here, #FREEPALESTINE. And #Harrisforprez while I’m at it. Not sure why Americans would be upset receiving them as refugees and immigrants.

 

[nostradumbass]

Belal reps Chicago 24/7, the fuck are you talking about? Has the Chicago flag on his mouthpiece, wore US sports jersey at the post-fight press conference in his last fight, shouts out Chicago after all of his wins. He's literally invested in putting his hometown on the map.

Yeah, thank God he finally put Chicago "on the map". Nobody had even heard of the place until they saw his mouthpiece on the UFC prelims.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

conflating economic immigrants who choose to move willingly with literal refugees leaving behind everything they own and fleeing to safety.

Sharp as a fucking cue ball, this one.

Or maybe you just didn't get the point I was making but that is probably harder to admit. We can go tit for tat with ad hominems but I don't see the point in that.

Our countries are so attractive that people try to come here at all costs. They're literally taking extremely dangerous boat trips just to get here. You really think that (regardless of economic migrant or refugee) that once they're settled in a rich well-fare state with lots of freedom, they think 'oh let's leave the luxury behind and move back to our poor third world war-torn country'? On top of that, by the time they could go back they and their children are used to living here. They're never going back voluntarily.

You're an absolutely naive person if you think the majority of 'temporary' refugees will move back. Show me the many examples in history. I can tell you that the Afghans that fled to the Netherlands are still here. The Syryans are too. Explain to me why and how Palestinians would be different?

 

[Larzon]

I'm looking at Belal, guy was born in the US but i've never seen him saying anything about being an American, always Gaza this Palestine that, then move there bitch. Meanwhile you are looking at guy like Merab and Brazilian fighters living in the US they are always respectful.
So if i was an American, i would've hate him 10000x more now lol He is bringing new Belal's.
I'm an immigrant myself but i always respect the country i live in and i celebrate the 4th of july equivalent in here and i didn't even born in here.

Fuck me you're a shit bloke

 

[The Siege]

Or maybe you just didn't get the point I was making but that is probably harder to admit. We can go tit for tat with ad hominems but I don't see the point in that.

I just said you are conflating the two categories of immigrants. That last line is a quote from The Sopranos meant for comedy.

Our countries are so attractive that people try to come here at all costs. They're literally taking extremely dangerous boat trips just to get here.

I mean, no shit, of course people will gravitate towards wealthier countries because of all the opportunities. Majority of people immigrating are not going the dangerous route you are describing. For the most part, it is desperate refugees fleeing violence because other neighboring countries are in a bad state.

You really think that (regardless of economic migrant or refugee) that once they're settled in a rich well-fare state with lots of freedom, they think 'oh let's leave the luxury behind and move back to our poor third world war-torn country'? On top of that, by the time they could go back they and their children are used to living here. They're never going back voluntarily.

There is resettlement for some refugees and some of them do stay, but everything they own and their lives that they have built is back home. The point is they want to go back and rebuild and safeguard their property, wealth, etc.

You're an absolutely naive person if you think the majority of 'temporary' refugees will move back. Show me the many examples in history. I can tell you that the Afghans that fled to the Netherlands are still here. The Syryans are too. Explain to me why and how Palestinians would be different?

The Palestinians are the biggest unsettled refugee group in the world. After approximately 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed during the 1948 establishment of Israel, they were not allowed to return to their previous homes after the hostilities ended. This is one of the central pillars of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it is called the Right Of Return and one of the things that Israel will not budge on no matter what because it would mean that Jews would no longer be 80% of the population (an intentional design to keep Israel a Jewish state). Quite literally a core tenant of the Palestinian struggle is wanting to go back to their towns and cities they were purged from, and they are asking for that right for the first generation and their descendants. Of course, the viability of RoR and the practicality of it are up for discussion, but it is clear that they want to return to their homes.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

I just said you are conflating the two categories of immigrants. That last line is a quote from The Sopranos meant for comedy.

I mean, no shit, of course people will gravitate towards wealthier countries because of all the opportunities. Majority of people immigrating are not going the dangerous route you are describing. For the most part, it is desperate refugees fleeing violence because other neighboring countries are in a bad state.

There is resettlement for some refugees and some of them do stay, but everything they own and their lives that they have built is back home. The point is they want to go back and rebuild and safeguard their property, wealth, etc.

The Palestinians are the biggest unsettled refugee group in the world. After approximately 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed during the 1948 establishment of Israel, they were not allowed to return to their previous homes after the hostilities ended. This is one of the central pillars of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it is called the Right Of Return and one of the things that Israel will not budge on no matter what because it would mean that Jews would no longer be 80% of the population (an intentional design to keep Israel a Jewish state). Quite literally a core tenant of the Palestinian struggle is wanting to go back to their towns and cities they were purged from, and they are asking for that right for the first generation and their descendants. Of course, the viability of RoR and the practicality of it are up for discussion, but it is clear that they want to return to their homes.

'Some of them want to stay' is a complete misrepresentation. The vast majority of them end up staying.

There are many safe countries they have to pass through before even reaching my country. All our neighboring countries and their neighboring countries are safe too. It's clearly not a safety thing. They hear nice things about the country and do everything to get there. If the idea was to get temporary safety and then move back you wouldn't go through all that effort to travel so much further. Also ironic that before the war started, there was a boom in Palestinian emigration to Europe.

Before the war, emigration from Gaza to Europe was booming

In 2023, Palestinians were the largest group of new asylum seekers on the Greek islands. They came via Turkey, where they were easily granted access to visas.

www.lemonde.fr

Clearly what they say and what they do isn't the same.

Even if I conceded all other points (which I don't), Egypt and Jordan don't want them because they fear for influx of militian Palestinians / HAMAS. They fear for their safety and they're the same religion). So absolutely no reason for Western nations to take them in. We've taken plenty of Syrians and Afghans already, and it hasn't made our countries better (to put it lightly).

Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza

As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel’s relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas’ brutal Oct. 7 attack, many ask why neighboring Egypt or other Arab countries don’t take them in.

apnews.com

 

[The Siege]

Even if I conceded all other points (which I don't)

Of course you don't lol

I've given you facts and you didn't even acknowledge them like 1) the fact that the Arab states have taken the vast majority of Palestinian refugees (which refutes your main argument that the Arabs don't want their "brothers and sisters") and 2) the fact that Palestinians (1st Gen and descendants) literally have the right of return as a central pillar of their struggle (which refutes your secondary argument that they aren't really refugees and they just make the deadly journey to Europe so they can stay forever).

I guess we can just end it here, seems like we are going in circles.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Good man. We need stuff like this

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Of course you don't lol

I've given you facts and you didn't even acknowledge them like 1) the fact that the Arab states have taken the vast majority of Palestinian refugees (which refutes your main argument that the Arabs don't want their "brothers and sisters") and 2) the fact that Palestinians (1st Gen and descendants) literally have the right of return as a central pillar of their struggle (which refutes your secondary argument that they aren't really refugees and they just make the deadly journey to Europe so they can stay forever).

I guess we can just end it here, seems like we are going in circles.

1. I already addressed your first point by saying that they dont want them today. Historically they may have taken them, but I provided links and showed you that the amount they took is absolutely small compared to their populations. They also don't seem to want any more of them today. You apparently disagree with this.

2. I never said they weren’t actually refugees. I said it’s not all about safety, they pick countries that are economically well off. They don’t tend to pick the first safe country. Even then, the vast majority stays even if they have some desire to go back some day. Life is simply much easier / comfortable here, and by the time they are actually able to go back they have build up too much to leave behind here. I actually understand why they want to move here and you cannot neccessarily blame them for wanting to, but at the same time I don't want them here.

3. Agreed on ending it and running in circles.

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

Wow this got moved to the war room?

Ya that’s weird. I guess because the comments got so politically heated. I’m not gonna read them but it looks like things went off the deep end as usual. Unfortunate.
Well since it’s here, #FREEPALESTINE. And #Harrisforprez while I’m at it. Not sure why Americans would be upset receiving them as refugees and immigrants.

They War Roomed this after 2 replies

Crazy, we can have million thread about how boring Belal is but a single thread highlighting what a good human he is