BATMAN V SUPERMAN v.10 (First Twitter Reactions)

[Big Brown Clown]

According to this WB is not worried because of the quality of the film but because it's not light hearted like Marvel films.

http://batman-news.com/2016/02/15/wa...erman-worried/

According to BOF, Warner Bros. is indeed concerned about Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, but not because of the quality of the movie. They’re more concerned about how the audience will respond to it, and how it will perform at the box office. BOF speculates that the mainstream audience is used to the “popcorn” movies that Marvel produces, and won’t respond well to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice’s deep story, which was written by Oscar winner Chris Terrio.

 

[ufcfan4]

I can't say that this trend of absolutely astronomical budgets is a good thing. It's already clear that a lot of these huge blockbuster movies need

According to this WB is not worried because of the quality of the film but because it's not light hearted like Marvel films.

http://batman-news.com/2016/02/15/wa...erman-worried/

Nolan's trilogy was dark and had depth to it and those films (particularly the latter two) did very well at the box office.

That said, that budget is absolutely astronomical. Going to need to rely on dat foreign money to recoup.

 

[Ikuza]

Seriously??? Your deep story written by a Oscar award winning writer might be too much to digest by the average consumer. That's the way you want to spin things? You're the high brow action alternative that only cinephiles will truly enjoy?

 

[Big Brown Clown]

I can't say that this trend of absolutely astronomical budgets is a good thing. It's already clear that a lot of these huge blockbuster movies need


Nolan's trilogy was dark and had depth to it and those films (particularly the latter two) did very well at the box office.

That said, that budget is absolutely astronomical. Going to need to rely on dat foreign money to recoup.

They'll also be making a fuck load of money from sponsors(Turkish Airlines for example). The cost for making MOS was actually reduced to like 65 million before a single ticket was sold just because of sponsors.

And I'm guessing the tone of the movie is going to be pretty dark/serious. I do feel like we are in different times than we were when BB/TDK came out. People like Jeremy Jahns have said, "The era of Nolan style seriousness in CBMs is over." When BvS teaser came out people were ragging on that HARD for how serious it was(especially in contrast to The Force Awakens teaser that came out a few days earlier). Maybe they feel like people have become accustomed to the Marvel style quip fests and this movie may be the polar opposite of that. Among other things(obv) a lot of people criticized MOS for being too "grimdark" and used it as a knock on the film.

If it's really serious I could see them feeling like it won't have the universal appeal they had hoped for and that might make them nervous.

 

[MMAmathwiz]

I know I'm going to really enjoy this movie but from everything I'm hearing I have serious doubts that it will be succesfull, especially with the total budget ballooning up to 400m including promotion, this may be Snyders last DC comics film.

Everyone I speak to is not hyped about this movie at all and thinks it looks stupid, they don't understand why Superman and Batman are fighting each other, people generally don't like heroes fighting other heroes, they want a clear cut bad guy vs good guy scenario. All I hear is praise for movies like Deadpool, Avengers, Iron man, etc.

People expect certain things from certain genres of movies, for horror movies they want to be scared, for comedies they want to laugh, and for Superhero comic book films they want to feel good, they want heroes vs villains, they want colorful and campy characters, one liners and a touch of romance and happy endings. They are not going to get that with this film, this will be a dark film, gritty with deep psychology behind it.

Snyders vision for Superhero comic book films is something people are not ready for yet, maybe they will 10-20 years from now after Marvel exhausts people with their campy approach and audiences want something different, I absolutely hated Age of Ultron, cringeworthy stuff imo, and I'm way more of a Marvel comics fan than DC but I dislike Marvel/Disneys movies.

It's really a shame but I really do think this the end for Snyders DCEU, people just aren't that interested in this movie, I doubt it even beats out Deadpool in terms of ticket sales.

 

[MMAmathwiz]

I can't say that this trend of absolutely astronomical budgets is a good thing. It's already clear that a lot of these huge blockbuster movies need


Nolan's trilogy was dark and had depth to it and those films (particularly the latter two) did very well at the box office.

That said, that budget is absolutely astronomical. Going to need to rely on dat foreign money to recoup.

There a few exceptions where audiences want darker themes for CBM films: Batman solo films, Wolverine, Xmen, Suicide Squad. Problem is that this is not a solo Bats film, this film features Superman fighting Batman. People do not associate Superman in any way to anything dark or gritty, the opposite actually. and casual fans are not that interested in the hero vs hero matchup.

Batman as a brand pretty much sells itself and Nolans films while dark, still have way more universal appeal than Snyders even darker approach.

Also remember that the Nolan films came out before the current wave of Marvel films, Marvel/Disney have totally changed the game and expectations from audiences for a Superhero CBM movie. Also I doubt this film will do well overseas, I think the results are going to be ugly, this could be a huge bomb critically and financially for Warner and DC.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

I think the results are going to be ugly, this could be a huge bomb... and financially for Warner and DC.

Extremely doubtful. This film is going to at the very LEAST will have a massive opening weekend. It opens in the US and China on the same day. The legs that it has depends on how good it is, how people respond to it, and word of mouth. The whole "WB is worried" thing is not worry that it will bomb. It's worry that it won't crack 1 billion dollars.

 

[MMAmathwiz]

Extremely doubtful. This film is going to at the very LEAST will have a massive opening weekend. It opens in the US and China on the same day. The legs that it has depends on how good it is, how people respond to it, and word of mouth. The whole "WB is worried" thing is not worry that it will bomb. It's worry that it won't crack 1 billion dollars.

I agree it will have a good opening weekend, but after that I see it dropping off if it gets the same reception as MoS, Warner almost needs it to reach 1billion to justify the amount of resources they're spending on this film.

What really worries me is that audience reactions from test screenings are not too good, this is a dark film as I suspected and I think that's not what people want right now, Deadpool is what people want right now not Snyders dark and somewhat eerie approach to CBMs.

And I think China is not going to take to this movie too well, Transformers 3 and Iron man 3 are two of the highest grossing films of all time in China, Asian audiences are totally clueless to the Batman vs Superman dynamic in comics, even in the US casual fans are not aware of the significance of the matchup between the two heroes, to them it's simply 2 heroes fighting each other, most are not even aware that Batman and Superman belong in the same fictional universe. I think people are really overestimating the knowledge of casual moviegoers about comic book characters.

I think it may do similar numbers to MoS, maybe a bit better even because of the Batman brand.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

I agree it will have a good opening weekend, but after that I see it dropping off if it gets the same reception as MoS, Warner almost needs it to reach 1billion to justify the amount of resources they're spending on this film.

What really worries me is that audience reactions from test screenings are not too good, this is a dark film as I suspected and I think that's not what people want right now, Deadpool is what people want right now not Snyders dark and somewhat eerie approach to CBMs.

And I think China is not going to take to this movie too well, Transformers 3 and Iron man 3 are two of the highest grossing films of all time in China, Asian audiences are totally clueless to the Batman vs Superman dynamic in comics, even in the US casual fans are not aware of the significance of the matchup between the two heroes, to them it's simply 2 heroes fighting each other, most are not even aware that Batman and Superman belong in the same fictional universe. I think people are really overestimating the knowledge of casual moviegoers about comic book characters.

I think it may do similar numbers to MoS, maybe a bit better even because of the Batman brand.

Doubtful. I think it will do much better than MOS but if these reports are to be trusted(was too perfectly timed for my taste) it MAY(test screeners have been wrong before) be underwhelming than what they wanted which is 1billion+.

 

[Mike]

I hope the movie does well, fans don't benefit from DC's CU sucking. However, when you've literally never had Superman and Batman in a movie together, and never done the JLA, why in the fuck would you not use established versions of the characters?! It's like they want it to fail. Anyway I'll go see it no matter what and I hope it's good, but they should've saved these alternate versions of the characters until after their CU was established imo.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

This might wind up being a bad movie, but seeing Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman clash is already worth multiple viewings.

 

[ufcfan4]

I hope the movie does well, fans don't benefit from DC's CU sucking. However, when you've literally never had Superman and Batman in a movie together, and never done the JLA, why in the fuck would you not use established versions of the characters?! It's like they want it to fail. Anyway I'll go see it no matter what and I hope it's good, but they should've saved these alternate versions of the characters until after their CU was established imo.

I remember back three years ago when they were rumoring that Bale was being courted to play Batman again, but that it was going to be a different Wayne/Batman than the one he played in the Nolan trilogy. As in, he seriously would be Bruce Wayne but it would not be in the same continuity/universe of Nolanverse.

Never knew if that story was true or not but holy shit would that have been confusing as hell or what. At that point, why even bother?

 

[Mike]

I remember back three years ago when they were rumoring that Bale was being courted to play Batman again, but that it was going to be a different Wayne/Batman than the one he played in the Nolan trilogy. As in, he seriously would be Bruce Wayne but it would not be in the same continuity/universe of Nolanverse.

Never knew if that story was true or not but holy shit would that have been confusing as hell or what. At that point, why even bother?

Pretty much. I thought he did just fine as Batman but that would be too confusing and stupid.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

This is Drew from Hitfix who released original scoop that WB is worried(from which all the other articles stemmed)

You can see why I'd doubt his credibility. He releases that "scoop" the same day that the BvS trailer dropped. Isn't that a bit coincidental?

 

[MMAmathwiz]

Doubtful. I think it will do much better than MOS but if these reports are to be trusted(was too perfectly timed for my taste) it MAY(test screeners have been wrong before) be underwhelming than what they wanted which is 1billion+.

MoS did 700million worldwide and I think that movie had more positive expectations than BvS. MoS was a very polarizing movie, half the people thought it was amazing and the other half thought it was absolute garbage. I loved MoS but most did not and Snyders reputation as a director was severely tarnished by that film. I remember the MoS thread here before it opened and it was extremely optimistic and there were dozens of posts a day, if you look at this thread its totally different, most opinions are skeptical about all aspects of the film, especially the casting of Luthor and WW.

Thats the general feeling around this film right now, skepticism and doubt that it will be any good. And these are people with some knowledge on the characters. Batman vs Superman (the fight not the movie) is an interesting dynamic for comic book fans but most people are clueless to this.

The DCEU will go on, Justice League may be delayed in favor of a solo Batman film and Snyder may be fired and they may bring in a more light hearted director. To me that may as well be the end of the DCEU if they just turn it into another MCU.

I predict that reviews will be polarizing once again, interest will be lower among casuals. Even if the movie hits 800-900 million worldwide Snyder may get the axe, there's just too much negativity surrounding him at the moment. I respect him for not giving up his artistic vision and making the movie he wanted even if it cost him his job, I really want to see his JL movie and see what he does with it.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Update: February 17, 2016
Rumor: Warner Bros. "Nervous" About BATMAN V SUPERMAN After Screening

For the past few days, there've been lots of murmurs going around regarding the fact that Warner Bros and DC are starting to get really worried about their upcoming slate of DC films. Why is that? According to Drew McWeeny from HitFix, it's all related to the response the film has been receiving in test screenings.

From Latino-Review's sources, the term "worried" is a mischaracterization. They're not worried, per sé. What they are is nervous, and that's to be expected. After all, there is a lot riding on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Not only is the fate of an entire slate of DC films hanging in the balance of whether or not this movie hits, but the very definition of "hit" is now coming into question.

The budget for the film, with promotion included, has reportedly ballooned to north of $400 million. So for the movie to be considered a monster success- which the studio needs it to be- and for it to open the floodgates for the rest of the proposed slate, it would need to make north of a billion. The problem is, according to a well-connected source who spoke with LR on a condition of anonymity, the film could be as polarizing as Man of Steel.

To be clear, the source loved Man of Steel. And he's seen Batman v Superman, and he really liked it, too. But he also recalls how that MoS came out and split audiences and critics alike. It wasn't the kind of universal crowd-pleaser that DC wanted then, and that trend may very well continue with BvS.

Again, this isn't to say that the film is bad. Not at all. But it's not for everyone, and that's making the suits nervous, as there's a lot riding on this film and they'd rather it have turned out more accessible.

The idea to include Batman wasn't pre-planned. In fact, the whole Batman Vs Superman angle wasn't cooked up until well after Man of Steel had come out, and it's been said that they didn't decide to include Batman in the film until three days before they announced it at Comic Con. So bringing in The Dark Knight was an impulsive move, and one that was likely aided by the fact that DC knows that audiences love them some Batman.

The one recurring theme coming out of these test screenings, dating back to December, is that Ben Affleck's Batman is the highlight of the film.

But while McWeeny claims this could mean that his solo Batman flick could take the spot of Justice League, as the studio retools the team-up movie and shines a spotlight on the Snyder-less Batman flick, Latino Review's source says that Justice League is absolutely happening next, and that Affleck's solo film will not take its place. Production on JL is ramping up as we speak, and the thought is that they'll start filming after all of the actors are done promoting Batman v Superman. This also contradicts the idea that Snyder might not direct it.


The LR Scoop On The Apparent Turmoil At DC FILMS Over Batman V Superman

The one recurring theme coming out of these test screenings, dating back to December, is that Ben Affleck's Batman is the highlight of the film.

Called it!

 

[MMAmathwiz]

This is Drew from Hitfix who released original scoop that WB is worried(from which all the other articles stemmed)

You can see why I'd doubt his credibility. He releases that "scoop" the same day that the BvS trailer dropped. Isn't that a bit coincidental?

I agree that its skeptical, especially since the same guy has reported false information in the past.

For me it's not even about test screenings or other rumours, I just know the type of film Snyder is making and I think it will not appeal to everyone and Warner knows this, I think they gave him alot of artistic freedom in making BvS and he made the movie he wanted. Unfortunately in this business its all about money, BvS will likely make profit and a Snyder directed JL will also probably make profit. But a JL with a director like Joss Whedon will probably make much more, and thats may be enough for studio executives to change their approach and go for a more lighthearted approach.

 

[That209]

The last trailer was so good. Batfleck is going to be great in this. He looks to be very, very promising based off the last trailer and the way he fights is just perfect. It reminds me of the Arkham video game series. The way he beats the shit out of all those guys in the trailer is the way Batman is supposed to be, he's supposed to fight like he's a fucking superhuman ninja or something, not like the sloppy brawler in the Nolan series (I still loved that trilogy).

I'm not really sure if many people noticed this, but when Batman comes through the floor, you see him shoot something on two guys' guns and I'm guessing it's something that jams their weapon or something. It's just so perfect, THAT is how Batman is supposed to be. I can't wait for this, so many people were hating on Ben Affleck being cast as Batman but so far he looks to be very promising and the fight scenes with him are, as I said, fucking perfect. And the part where he blocks Superman's punch, fuuuuck.. it's just too awesome. Great trailer.

I'm really looking forward to this. I already know I'm going to love it and I know there's going to be TONS of people shitting on it after they see it because it didn't live up to the hype in their opinion. That's the problem with a lot of people these days - a movie will have a lot of hype and if it doesn't end up being the greatest movie ever made, it automatically sucks. There's going to likely be quite a few people voting 'abysmal' - the movie could be amazing but there's always that one asshole out there.

 

[KnightTemplar]

How "dark" BvS is will have nothing to do with it's success. As has already been stated, people love them some Batman, and he's not called the Dark Knight for nothing. The gold standard for comic book movies is still regarded by many as Nolan's DK, with it's themes of anarchy, madness and grief.

People who try to draw a line between DC's "serious" movies and Marvel's lighter version are forgetting that Winter Soldier was one of the MCU's biggest hits. And the central premise of that move was that the US Government had been infiltrated and corrupted by a secret Nazi death cult since WWII. They even cast Robert Redford himself as the Big Bad, and made the bad guys, if not likeable, at least understandable. Their motivations were noble, even if their methods were hideous,

"I can bring order to seven billion people. At the cost of twenty million lives"

Whether BvS is a success or not will have nothing to do with how dark or complex it is. DC/WB's clumsy attempts at reverse psychology are embarrassing.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

DC/WB's clumsy attempts at reverse psychology are embarrassing.

The fuck? Literally none of this comes from DC/WB. It's all insiders/media outlets opinions. But I'm sure you'll say DC put them up to it or something.