Barr and Mueller's Two Testie-fy (SCO v. 34)

[glenwo2]

This thread is essentially Liberals arguing that their team would've won the championship if it wasn't for the refs missing calls. Then they get shown a chart that proves the refs made more calls in their favor, so they then argue that they missed the "important" calls.

 

[hillelslovak87]

You sure it wasn't 1969?

 

[BKMMAFAN]

you literally cant prosecute someone for collusion. thats why dems will never say that word ever again.

I'm sure Trump will. Collusion isn't a crime, which is why he latched on to the term. Meh

 

[BKMMAFAN]

Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

If he requires “exoneration” then he is guilty and must be proven innocent.

Arn’t you a lawyer? How do you argue on the basis Trump is assumed guilty???

Where did I ever say he was presumed guilty? Please provide referenced quotes.

I was arguing that one can be guilty of obstruction of justice when one is under investigation despite not being guilty of any underlying crime.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Nobody cares what MSNBC thinks....

 

[SBJJ]

Yeah, I think you're obsessed with me, and you're just making a little melodrama in your head. I enjoin you to bring up when in the last few days I've been saying the report found collusion. I actually read the report, and it stopped short of criminal conspiracy, at least in the findings of the investigation that weren't handed off to over a dozen other investigative teams, surely all deep state.

There it is
MSNBC drone confirmed

 

[LangfordBarrow]

According to Derschowitz, the actions taken by the President were within his legal rights. Can Derschowitz be wrong? Of course, but he seems to be the most credible legal mind on the issue, and he has been right so far.

He has a personal relationship with Trump. Jay Sekulow used to go on the shows claiming not to represent Trump and only giving a legal perspective. Until a few days later he joined the legal team and was out there lying for Trump. Dershowitz is a respected lawyer but he's definitely out there acting as Trump's defense attorney and not giving unbiased legal perspective.

 

[glenwo2]

@Rematch

He has a personal relationship with Trump. Jay Sekulow used to go on the shows claiming not to represent Trump and only giving a legal perspective. Until a few days later he joined the legal team and was out there lying for Trump. Dershowitz is a respected lawyer but he's definitely out there acting as Trump's defense attorney and not giving unbiased legal perspective.

But is he wrong, though?

That's the main question.

Considering he's got more Legal know-how than us Weirdos here, he must know what he's talking about....at least a little.

 

[hillelslovak87]

There it is
MSNBC drone confirmed

 

[Darkballs]

@Rematch


But is he wrong, though?

His opinion is a minority one.

 

[Rematch]

@Rematch


But is he wrong, though?

That's the main question.

Considering he's got more Legal know-how than us Weirdos here, he must know what he's talking about....at least a little.

That's the thing. Dershowitz has consistently been proven right. No amount of bias he has for Trump belies that.

 

[Rematch]

His opinion is a minority one.

It's the right opinion, though. Of course, you're more than free to put the opinions of those that have consistently been proven wrong in higher esteem.

 

[Darkballs]

It's the right opinion, though. Of course, you're more than free to put the opinions of those that have consistently been proven wrong in higher esteem.

What legal argument do you think he made that proved people wrong? At least give me something to work with here.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

@Rematch


But is he wrong, though?

That's the main question.

Considering he's got more Legal know-how than us Weirdos here, he must know what he's talking about....at least a little.

It seems that's yet to be determined. One thing to keep in mind is that part of their strategy is to try this case in the court of public opinion and not necessarily in a court of law. So as long as they can get people to believe them it doesn't matter so much how solid their defense is legally.

 

[Rematch]

What legal argument do you think he made that proved people wrong? At least give me something to work with here.

If you don't know his legal opinion, how could you say it's a minority one?

 

[Andy Capp]

I never thought Trump colluded with Russia, or hoped he did. I thought it was near hysteria regarding that topic and Trump, and I am no fan of his.

My views on his potential obstruction are different than collusion, but I certainly didn't hope Trump would engage in that behavior as some do/did.

I didn't notice anyone hoping for wrongdoing. I think many were certain it existed, however, and although it may not rise to the level of criminality, there was clearly wrongdoing. The idea that people were hoping he was in the shit is a reflection of the inability of his supporters to view any criticism of him as factual.

 

[glenwo2]

It's the right opinion, though. Of course, you're more than free to put the opinions of those that have consistently been proven wrong in higher esteem.

It's only the "Minority opinion" because the Fake News Media prevents it from making it into Households in America.

 

[glenwo2]

It seems that's yet to be determined. One thing to keep in mind is that part of their strategy is to try this case in the court of public opinion and not necessarily in a court of law. So as long as they can get people to believe them it doesn't matter so much how solid their defense is legally.

That would explain "Judge" Napolitano then.

He's doing the same thing and Hill is eating it up so it's working.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

It's only the "Minority opinion" because the Fake News Media prevents it from making it into Households in America.

The system is rigged...

 

[glenwo2]

The system is rigged...

Everything is rigged, LB.

This is the Matrix.