Barr and Mueller's Two Testie-fy (SCO v. 34)

[LangfordBarrow]

okaaaay..... <{chips}>

Always grasping at something..... #GetOverItDipshits

You were the one that mentioned voter fraud a few pages back. I know there didn't have to be any more collusion than what we saw out in the open, maybe Trump had no idea his words and Junior's actions would embolden the Russians, he might just be loathe to admit the Russian meddling helped him win. There is no doubt we need to protect our democracy. I'm sure there's still some action taking place but it's not enough if our commander in chief can't handle talking about the issue so isn't being proactive in setting up groups to counter interference during our next elections and warning foreign leaders against it.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Russia won't meddle in the 2020 election. Facebook has it covered.

It was just a couple of Russian ads on Facebook...

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Yes. Along with obstruction.

BKK is confusing an actual crime in one case and none in the other. He also seems to be arguing a certain point no one has made. I honestly think he's confusing multiple posts and who's writing them

My point is that you have to know what Trump was thinking at any point to prove obstruction while Libby lied to an investigator so its a pretty clear example.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Yes, lying and obstruction.

I thought the lying was the obstruction.

 

[TheBlondBomber]

It was just a couple of Russian ads on Facebook...

Sounds about right.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Well, I think it's clearly not true that most prosecutors would not pursue charges against John Doe in the same situation. They take obstruction of legal investigations very seriously.

I dont think any reasonable person would argue that Hillary and staff didn't obstruct, but not a single F' was given.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I dont think any reasonable person would argue that Hillary and staff didn't obstruct, but not a single F' was given.

It's like Trump's conspiracy charge. If you destroy the evidence they can't indict.

 

[JamesRussler]

I completely agree. I also believe there's ample evidence, as shown in the Mueller report, that Trump's intent was to thwart the investigation. I honestly can't see how anyone can come to any other conclusion.

Assuming arguendo that Trump actually attempted to thwart a baseless and corrupt investigation that had no purpose other than to destroy him for the political benefit of Democrats, I support his efforts. He did good. I’ll never hold it against him. In fact, give this man a medal.

But Trump did not obstruct the investigation. He let it play out until its sad conclusion, and your boy Mueller still came up with nothing. Game over. Stick a fork in it, hang up your boots and get outta Dodge.

It amazes me how even after the investigation into collusion was exposed as a sham that Democrats can feign outrage at that process being “obstructed.” This is why everyone hates the Left SMH.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Admit it....You WOOD.

PINE

 

[hillelslovak87]

Aging student.

I graduated in a very timely manner.

Hell, I was owning my second business at the same time you are playing back to school.

Keep going with the ole internet "I have millions, my hair is still here and my dick certainly isn't small, huh?!" routine.

It's quite amusing, listening to you whinge.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Assuming arguendo that Trump actually attempted to thwart a baseless and corrupt investigation that had no purpose other than to destroy him for the political benefit of Democrats, I support his efforts. He did good. I’ll never hold it against him. In fact, give this man a medal.

But Trump did not obstruct the investigation. He let it play out until its sad conclusion, and your boy Mueller still came up with nothing. Game over. Stick a fork in it, hang up your boots and get outta Dodge.

It amazes me how even after the investigation into collusion was exposed as a sham that Democrats can feign outrage at that process being “obstructed.” This is why everyone hates the Left SMH.

Mueller outlined 10 specific instances in which Trump obstructed justice, then left it to congress. Did you read the thing?

 

[JamesRussler]

Plenty in this thread have argued that you can't have obstruction without an underlying crime....pretty sure you're one of them.

I haven’t seen anyone say that. I certainly didn’t. However, when it’s determined that there’s no underlying crime, it effectively means the investigation is baseless, so we really need to examine why the investigation went forward in the first place.

 

[BKMMAFAN]

I dont think any reasonable person would argue that Hillary and staff didn't obstruct, but not a single F' was given.

That's a bit differemt, but yeah, I remember arguing on here that it was clear HC lied to the public when she said that inane video caused Benghazzi when she knew that was false. Not a fan.

 

[JamesRussler]

Mueller outlined 10 specific instances in which Trump obstructed justice, then left it to congress. Did you read the thing?

Yeah. Mueller stepped out of his lane. He reports to the AG, not congress. He’s not an independent counsel, though he clearly fancied himself one. Maybe you should look up the history of the lapsed independent counsel statute.

As for Mueller’s legal opinion, who cares? Not me. In my qualified opinion, Trump didn’t obstruct justice. The AG agrees with me. Womp womp.

 

[BKMMAFAN]

Assuming arguendo that Trump actually attempted to thwart a baseless and corrupt investigation that had no purpose other than to destroy him for the political benefit of Democrats, I support his efforts. He did good. I’ll never hold it against him. In fact, give this man a medal.

That's disconcerting because it's excusing criminal behavior and putting the POTUS above the law (even if he couldn't be charged while in office).

 

[MikeMcMann]

Barr never lied. You just want that to be true. It didn’t happen. Let it go. You’ll live longer if you aren’t so bitter all the time.

and yet I showed it as factual and indisputable that he did and you proving yourself an idiot Foxbot in trying to lie that he did not.

He gave himself no out, even in his attempted out of splitting the hairs between Mueller and Mueller's team. If he knew they meant Mueller then he lied when he said no. If he thought they solely meant Mueller's team excluding Mueller himself, he lied because he admitted he thought the "snitty" written report was from Mueller's team.

So either way he had to answer 'yes' and yet he lied and answered 'no'.

 

[SBJJ]

:-/ Yeah, cause this wasn't posted by you a few hours ago in this thread.

To bad you have no clue what that post means

Go read my original post that started the conversation. The conversation you seem so confused over

MOST prosecutors would not touch Trump or anyone in this case. Sorry it's so hard for you to understand what is actually being discussed

 

[SBJJ]

It doesn't legally matter if theres an underlying crime though. I gave you a perfectly reasonable hypothetical a few posts ago. Please address it.

It surely matters to the prosecutors. Which is why you still have not provided an example

Or are u still arguing phantom posters? You seem to still be arguing something no one disagreed with you on. People are simply pointing out that the vast majority of prosecutors would not bring charges. Something that seems more and more true the longer it takes you to come up with a good example

 

[SBJJ]

That's disconcerting because it's excusing criminal behavior and putting the POTUS above the law (even if he couldn't be charged while in office).

What if Trump destroyed subpoenaed evidence. That I admit would be obstruction. Would have to be crazy to do that though

 

[hillelslovak87]

Yeah. Mueller stepped out of his lane. He reports to the AG, not congress. He’s not an independent counsel, though he clearly fancied himself one. Maybe you should look up the history of the lapsed independent counsel statute.

As for Mueller’s legal opinion, who cares? Not me. In my qualified opinion, Trump didn’t obstruct justice. The AG agrees with me. Womp womp.

You, like the AG, haven't seen a shred of evidence pertaining to the investigation. Mueller left it to congress whether to move forward in whatever way they choose regarding obstruction.