Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.11

[Mike]

the Captain America defense of Bucky and refusal to comply with the Sokovia Accords is a very interesting ethical debate to me. I can argue and see both sides.

Look if it was one of my friends who had his mind taken over and had killed dozens if not hundreds of people Captain America would not allow me to keep my friend from judgement and potentially jail under the 'but he was brain washed defense'. He would walk right through me, apprehend my friend and submit him to the court system and whatever happened after that he would not concern himself with.

Similarly with the Slovokia Accords if I or a group claimed to be 'sovereign citizens' and tried to opt out of the gov't systems I think Cap would be one to bring us to justice.

And yet in both situations I think Cap does have the moral high ground. So this is a question of when does the Moral Right trump the Rule of Law. And the only answer I can see for that is 'when you have enough power to not submit and to assert your moral choice'.

 

[CrazyN8]

Think I just noticed a continuity error. When caps trying to stop Thanos, it appears his right hand shield is gone when he is trying to hold his hand back, but before that he was smacking away with both shields. Don't know but it bugs me.

edit: Also, if anyone has a high quality link to this movie, don't send it to me, that's a bad thing to do.

 

[Magooglie]

Think I just noticed a continuity error. When caps trying to stop Thanos, it appears his right hand shield is gone when he is trying to hold his hand back, but before that he was smacking away with both shields. Don't know but it bugs me.

edit: Also, if anyone has a high quality link to this movie, don't send it to me, that's a bad thing to do.

Yes, where did the shield go? I wonder if they filmed a longer fight and had to cut it. I want to see an extended edition.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Nah, that was Mordo.

ahh ok

Forgettable characters are forgettable

 

[Mike]

Yes, where did the shield go? I wonder if they filmed a longer fight and had to cut it. I want to see an extended edition.

Yeah I want more content and I'll take whatever I can get. Making of featurette, deleted scenes, etc.

 

[Guestx]

lol at those chairs

You have my sympathy young one

@shadow_priest_x get a load of these chairs.

LOL, damn. Those motherfuckers look stiff as a board!

 

[CrazyN8]

Yes, where did the shield go? I wonder if they filmed a longer fight and had to cut it. I want to see an extended edition.

Would be cool, maybe there is, I can see Steve hitting the gauntlet and the shield exploding.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The movie has been subtly changed for the Chinese market. It's official title is now,

Infinity War: Wong Saves the Universe.

Starring Wong.

Co-starring a bunch of round-eyes. None of whom are as awesome as Wong.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Is Cap ever going to get his old shield back?

I mean dont they have a shit ton of vibranium in Wakanda

Whats taking so long

Get this man a shield... that doesn't suck!

 

[MMouse]

Movie was rad as hell. Glad that is doing so well. I love the MCU, hope it just keeps going forever.

It literally can.

Marvel has enough if not more stories than movies that have been produced under the hollywood umberella.

 

[minute bull]

If it's Wong he don't wanna be White.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Is Cap ever going to get his old shield back?

I mean dont they have a shit ton of vibranium in Wakanda

Whats taking so long

Get this man a shield... that doesn't suck!

Stark has that prototype that Peter saved in Homecoming.

 

[ufcfan4]

was he right about Bucky though? Was he right to stand against the Sokovia accords?(remember that even War Machine now wishes he never signed them). Also of course its in the spirit of Captain America.... its a concept from the comics and Cap was against it in them also. He believes in freedom, and that isnt freedom in his eyes.

also are you really going to mention AoU? you know the movie where Tony unleashes an advanced AI on the world, that almost leads to the entire world being destroyed.

no matter what happens in the MCU..... Cap>>>Iron Man, and he always will be

Excellent point. As far as the MCU goes, even if Cap's seems to have flaws to his ideology in principle, he's been vindicated virtually every time in practice.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Excellent point. As far as the MCU goes, even if Cap's seems to have flaws to his ideology in principle, he's been vindicated virtually every time in practice.

He's still skinny

 

[ufcfan4]

Why does there need to be a consensus amongst the team? There's a lot of players with a lot of different motivations, and a lot of these guys are working together/meeting each other for the first time.
And not everyone is motivated by only stopping Thanos.
Thor wants revenge. Drax wants revenge. Hulk won't come out. Strange wants to protect his time stone. Scarlet Witch wants to save Vision. Peter wants to find Gamora. They all want to save the universe as well, but there isn't just one vision on how to do this.
They show and say this in the movie with Vision and Gamora trying to sacrifice them while Quill and Cap argue against it.
I think you are really downplaying the relationships here. Of course these people want to save the universe, but they aren't robots. They are people. And your'e expecting them to easily just KILL somebody that they love.
It's kind of hard to come to a team consensus on something that is an individual choice. The mind stone was connected to Vision's life, as was the soul stone connected to Gamora's. They have more at stake, and more input on what happens than anyone else.

Also, how much did the heroes really know? The only ones who really knew and understood what Thanos was doing was probably just Gamora, Thor, and maybe Banner. No one else knew who Thanos was, or the power of the infinity stone. What were they going to talk about? All they knew is that a big bad was coming, and that they needed to stop him. It would make no sense for them to start sacrificing lives with the little information they had.

I'm not going to defend the Starlord punch too much. I didn't like it. I thought it was stupid as well. But it wasn't a dealbreaker for me. I was definitely like "wtf Quill", but it wasn't like it was completely not understandable, or even not like Quill.
When you just find out that the guy in front of you killed your girl---yea...sense be damned, you can do crazy shit. Family members go after murderers in court rooms in front of a room full of police in real life. And Quill did a similar thing in GoTG2 when he found out that Ego had killed his mother.

Very well said.

If anything, I think one of the elements that the movie was clearly showing was the contrast in Thanos' really horrific vision of the universe vs. The Avengers'optimistic mentality. Thanos has what some might call a pragmatic stance- there's too many organisms and not enough resources to sustain them- but he uses that to justify an unfathomable and horrible practice- devastating populations and killing countless beings to thin out the numbers. The Avengers, meanwhile have what some would call an illogical stance of not killing or letting die individuals whose deaths might thwart the catastrophic event, but they use that mentality to justify looking for alternatives and only permitting such things to happen as a last resort.

Thanos sees one way to achieve a goal and does not give two shits about trillions dying for that to happen. The Avengers will go out of their way and look for multiple means to deal with an issue in order to save a single life. That's the difference. That's why I think Thanos is so full of shit. Because how much could you really care about the many (mentions the grateful universe- ie he's looking out for those who will survive the purge) if you don't give a single shit about any of the individual lives (sans Gamora) you quash in the process. And The Avengers' true heroism is not only the fact that they care about the masses and the future, but they care about the individuals that comprise those masses.

 

[minute bull]

By the freehander JungGi Kim (hasn't seen it yet so there may be inaccuracies):

 

[Magooglie]

Excellent point. As far as the MCU goes, even if Cap's seems to have flaws to his ideology in principle, he's been vindicated virtually every time in practice.

Except the time half the universe died. Now Tony's gotta clean it all up!

 

[Mondo Freaks]

8/10

Very enjoyable. The ending made sense to me. It’s hard to surprise people when you know there is another sequel coming out.

I think they took he ending from the Onslaught arc. Richard Reeds son puts all the heroes in an another reality when Onslaught kills them. Not saying they will do that here since Fantastic 4 isn’t even part of it, but the idea that they might be alive in another reality makes sense.

On the technical side, very well done. Good action and surprised at the dramatic scenes. Some of Jose scenes got pretty emotional.

Just one question. Why didn’t Thanos use that move he used on Drax (where he cut him into little pieces) on everyone?

 

[Magooglie]

8/10

Very enjoyable. The ending made sense to me. It’s hard to surprise people when you know there is another sequel coming out.

I think they took he ending from the Onslaught arc. Richard Reeds son puts all the heroes in an another reality when Onslaught kills them. Not saying they will do that here since Fantastic 4 isn’t even part of it, but the idea that they might be alive in another reality makes sense.

On the technical side, very well done. Good action and surprised at the dramatic scenes. Some of Jose scenes got pretty emotional.

Just one question. Why didn’t Thanos use that move he used on Drax (where he cut him into little pieces) on everyone?

I suspect Thanos likes fighting, wanted to see if someone could stop him, and likes to suffer a little.

 

[Mondo Freaks]

You chose to sit that far off-center, @Mondo Freaks?

yea because of the terrorists