Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.10

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Isn't Scarlet Johannsen's character just some regular chick? Like no superpowers or anything? How was she kicking the female alien's ass in the first fight they had? I thought those two Thanos underlings were supposed to be super bad asses, no?

The weird psychic priest alien dude was criminally underused, thought he was the most interesting character in the film after Thanos. The way they threw a car at him and he just slices it in half without moving was badass. Thanos was brilliantly done for the fact this was a comic book movie, first Marvel villain that I actually gave a shit about.

Also best joke in the film was the one about Kevin Bacon joining the Avengers. I'm not really big into comic book movies but I thought this one was really well done, definitely worth the hype.

They took the Thanos underlings by surprise in the first fight (the greatest superpower) and Black Widow was losing to her in the Wakanda fight. That's Daughter #3 of Thanos. She seemed to be a normal alien. Maw has the most legit superpowers. Black Widow is a normal person as far as we know.
 
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Good news is SHERLOCK 3 2020! Wooyeah!
Am I crazy or is RDJ adding a hint of a stereotypical nerd nasal accent to his voice? I've never noticed it in his other interviews. Is he trying to differentiate himself from Tony Stark by changing his voice? It's really bizzare.



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huh? what's any of this mean?
 
bring the slow motion! thats half of the movie
Tell me about it. In the first one I complained so much about how every event was being doubled by his gimmick of aforethought, but in the second one they wisely juxtaposed his musings with unexpected left-turns. So it didn't feel like constantly retreading scenes.

But I prefer Downey's Sherlock over his Tony Stark. For some reason, and I can't quite figure out why, when I see Tony I see Robert Downey Jr but when I see Sherlock I only see the character.

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His verbal position is the "good side" position. It's just he's done the opposite in the past. But in this movie they showed that the sacrifice play doesn't work anymore. Peter #2 tried it with Gamora. Wanda blew up Vision. Trillions still died. So there's a trajectory here and I hope they don't subvert it in the next movie (if the heroes win). They can subvert it with a double Thanos win.

Again I don't think he has, the equivalent would be say the US government somehow finds out Bucky is going to become the Winter Solider in the future and they ask Rogers to kill his friend for the greater good, even if Bucky himself agreed to it then he wouldn't go though with it.

I think that issue is more specific to Rogers and those who directly follow him like Widow, he's a moralist who believes that theres a certain line you never cross no matter the danger because it potentially leads to a slippery slope. This film is testing that moral position by actually having him loose and having the price be so unimaginably large.

For someone like Peter I think the issue is rather different, he doesn't have Rogers moral code but he is heavily focused on his family and his affection from Gamora that causes him to loose control on Titan when her death is revealed.
 
As far as Stark does I personally thought the character was somewhat repetitive in the first few years of the MCU basically relearning the same lesson in humility multiple times across the Ironman films and the first Avengers. From Ultron onwards though I think he's actually become a good deal more interesting without losing the basic persona.
 
Again I don't think he has, the equivalent would be say the US government somehow finds out Bucky is going to become the Winter Solider in the future and they ask Rogers to kill his friend for the greater good, even if Bucky himself agreed to it then he wouldn't go though with it.

I think that issue is more specific to Rogers and those who directly follow him like Widow, he's a moralist who believes that theres a certain line you never cross no matter the danger because it potentially leads to a slippery slope. This film is testing that moral position by actually having him loose and having the price be so unimaginably large.

For someone like Peter I think the issue is rather different, he doesn't have Rogers moral code but he is heavily focused on his family and his affection from Gamora that causes him to loose control on Titan when her death is revealed.

With Peter #2 and Wanda they're examples that the filmmakers give that even if you do take the action of sacrificing someone for the greater good that it didn't work. They still didn't succeed. And that may pass onto Thanos. He did it, and he thinks he succeeded for now, but maybe it won't work out for him. Maybe that's the trajectory the filmmakers want to take. And those actions were taken in desperation.

Steve would go and try to rehabilitate Bucky. But if Steve was the one brainwashed what would he do? Steve has tried to sacrifice himself in the past and so the overall theory and his personal practice, particularly regarding the value he sees of his own life, is different. He can now give in to desperation or try to square up what he believes and what he does.
 
so do we get an Infinity War v2 and then the entire movies reset?
 
With Peter #2 and Wanda they're examples that the filmmakers give that even if you do take the action of sacrificing someone for the greater good that it didn't work. They still didn't succeed. And that may pass onto Thanos. He did it, and he thinks he succeeded for now, but maybe it won't work out for him. Maybe that's the trajectory the filmmakers want to take. And those actions were taken in desperation.

Steve would go and try to rehabilitate Bucky. But if Steve was the one brainwashed what would he do? Steve has tried to sacrifice himself in the past and so the overall theory and his personal practice, particularly regarding the value he sees of his own life, is different. He can now give in to desperation or try to square up what he believes and what he does.

Wanda does ultimately sacrifice Vision but only when there's clearly no other option and Peter does with Gamora when she asks but still loses control when he finds out Thanos has killed her.

As you say Steve wouldn't kill Bucky even if it were the surest way to prevent the deaths he causes as the winter solider, he'd look for another route as he did here. Self sacrifice is something very different and that's obviously something Rogers does agree with although the film is challenging him/us to deside if that difference matters or not.

Ultimately I think the film isn't totally decrying the heroes moral stance so much as it is putting it to the ultimate test, I strongly suspect in the sequel were going to see the negatives of Thanos's moral view, potentially mixed in with some evolution of the heroes and indeed perhaps a bit of a change in tone?

Before this films release I was interesting to see what the Russo's did in terms of tone as I would argue there cap sequels are rather different to the standard grand heroic marvel style, more morally and dramatically complex and less overt humour. This film on the face of it did seem to be more like the expectation of the Avengers and Guardians films most audiences probably had whilst arguably also undermining it, I would not be supprised if the sequel takes a rather different tone, audiences are prepped for it after that climax and arguably the cast of characters they have now are pretty well suited to it.
 
Wanda does ultimately sacrifice Vision but only when there's clearly no other option and Peter does with Gamora when she asks but still loses control when he finds out Thanos has killed her.

As you say Steve wouldn't kill Bucky even if it were the surest way to prevent the deaths he causes as the winter solider, he'd look for another route as he did here. Self sacrifice is something very different and that's obviously something Rogers does agree with although the film is challenging him/us to deside if that difference matters or not.

Ultimately I think the film isn't totally decrying the heroes moral stance so much as it is putting it to the ultimate test, I strongly suspect in the sequel were going to see the negatives of Thanos's moral view, potentially mixed in with some evolution of the heroes and indeed perhaps a bit of a change in tone?

Before this films release I was interesting to see what the Russo's did in terms of tone as I would argue there cap sequels are rather different to the standard grand heroic marvel style, more morally and dramatically complex and less overt humour. This film on the face of it did seem to be more like the expectation of the Avengers and Guardians films most audiences probably had whilst arguably also undermining it, I would not be supprised if the sequel takes a rather different tone, audiences are prepped for it after that climax and arguably the cast of characters they have now are pretty well suited to it.

If there's some message the filmmakers are trying to push it would seem to be that things can become desperate but don't do the "bad" choice when things become desperate. It won't work out. And the heroes take the everyone is important stance, which, since they're the heroes they have the "good" label and Thanos takes the some people are expendable stance, and since he was promoted as the villain that gets the "bad" label and the choices that align with that stance are the "bad" ones. And Thanos himself is desperate. He's more long term desperate but it relates to the immediate desperation of the heroes.

I think the root of Steve's conflict of theory and action is his view of himself. It's also what supports his optimistic viewpoint. He was the little guy, that during the time of war still wasn't found to be useful, but then things turned around and now he's a super hero helping people. So every little guy deserves a chance. But deep down he's still the little guy and any positive impact he had is a bonus. And if he were to sacrifice himself that's still an overall net gain.

I agree that the Russo's definitely take their movies in a different direction and I find it refreshing.
 
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so do we get an Infinity War v2 and then the entire movies reset?

We get an Infinity War 2 or whatever it will be called. They've confirmed some sequels of existing characters but we don't know what the landscape of the movies will be.
 
Do you guys think Thanos will get as much screen time in A4?

Or will it be a different direction and tone this time around?

What do you guys expect?
 
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