Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.10

[nefti]

imho the star wars franchise is at a disadvantage with needing to name every one of their films "star wars". If it isn't with "cannon" or "the way a star wars film is supposed to feel" it gets blasted. So they try to force films to feel a certain way at the same time wanting to break the mold. Not an easy thing to do. Marvel films don't have this problem.

 

[Ares Black]

What took you so long?

I have a couple of friends that I see these movies with and recently we've had conflicting schedules. It was pretty rough.

 

[Rizzo]

I wanted to hype this movie up so much before seeing it but part of me figured that with so many characters in this one, that it would end up being a little too crowded and it would affect the story overall.

Boy was I wrong. This is about as perfect as a comic movie can ever get. The Russo brothers completely nailed this movie and put themselves on the same pedestal as Nolan and the Dark Knight as far as I am concerned.

Speaking of high pedestals, its also safe to say now that Thanos is right there with Darth Vader. I think most of us assumed he was just come deranged being hellbent on destroying whatever he wanted but that was not the case at all. His reasoning was actually logical to a certain degree and he really did believe he was helping the universe in the long run by not allowing what happened to his home happen everywhere else. Him sacrificing the only life that really mattered to him for this cause really sealed it as well. I actually found myself cheering for him in some instances. Beyond all of that, he also respected certain characters and only killed when he had to.

As for the end, when he snapped his fingers he was sent into the soul stone I think, the colors of the world matched it and he was talking to Gamora again as she is no doubt trapped in there as well.

The deaths were definitely jaw dropping. My only complaint, a very minor one if that is that by killing guys like Spider Man and Quill who already have standalone movies announced made it way too obvious that something will happen in part 4 that brings everyone back. If they had killed the original Avengers (whos contracts are all almost up so from that standpoint it would have made sense for them to die and pass the torch) or black panther (who also has a sequel coming but the black panther title could have just been passed to his sister) then it would have truly set up a year of anticipation.

I am already wanting to see it again, this is not a movie that can be appreciated enough just seeing it one time. And Marvel ending the movie this way just put 100s of millions more in their pockets for the forthcoming Ant Man movie this summer as everyone will be dying to see this movie to see how it sets up Avengers 4.

 

[Rizzo]

imho the star wars franchise is at a disadvantage with needing to name every one of their films "star wars". If it isn't with "cannon" or "the way a star wars film is supposed to feel" it gets blasted. So they try to force films to feel a certain way at the same time wanting to break the mold. Not an easy thing to do. Marvel films don't have this problem.

Agree 100%. Star Wars nerds are impossible to please. I thought Episode 7 and 8 were both entertaining movies and on par with all of the rest of them. I am not a diehard fan though so I just take them as they are, fun popcorn flicks. The originals were before my time and pretty dated in my opinion so I have never been able to get into them much.

 

[Ares Black]

The deaths were definitely jaw dropping. My only complaint, a very minor one if that is that by killing guys like Spider Man and Quill who already have standalone movies announced made it way too obvious that something will happen in part 4 that brings everyone back. If they had killed the original Avengers (whos contracts are all almost up so from that standpoint it would have made sense for them to die and pass the torch) or black panther (who also has a sequel coming but the black panther title could have just been passed to his sister) then it would have truly set up a year of anticipation.

He DID kill Black Panther. Agreed on all other points though.

 

[Mike]

I wanted to hype this movie up so much before seeing it but part of me figured that with so many characters in this one, that it would end up being a little too crowded and it would affect the story overall.

Boy was I wrong. This is about as perfect as a comic movie can ever get. The Russo brothers completely nailed this movie and put themselves on the same pedestal as Nolan and the Dark Knight as far as I am concerned.

Speaking of high pedestals, its also safe to say now that Thanos is right there with Darth Vader. I think most of us assumed he was just come deranged being hellbent on destroying whatever he wanted but that was not the case at all. His reasoning was actually logical to a certain degree and he really did believe he was helping the universe in the long run by not allowing what happened to his home happen everywhere else. Him sacrificing the only life that really mattered to him for this cause really sealed it as well. I actually found myself cheering for him in some instances. Beyond all of that, he also respected certain characters and only killed when he had to.

As for the end, when he snapped his fingers he was sent into the soul stone I think, the colors of the world matched it and he was talking to Gamora again as she is no doubt trapped in there as well.

The deaths were definitely jaw dropping. My only complaint, a very minor one if that is that by killing guys like Spider Man and Quill who already have standalone movies announced made it way too obvious that something will happen in part 4 that brings everyone back. If they had killed the original Avengers (whos contracts are all almost up so from that standpoint it would have made sense for them to die and pass the torch) or black panther (who also has a sequel coming but the black panther title could have just been passed to his sister) then it would have truly set up a year of anticipation.

I am already wanting to see it again, this is not a movie that can be appreciated enough just seeing it one time. And Marvel ending the movie this way just put 100s of millions more in their pockets for the forthcoming Ant Man movie this summer as everyone will be dying to see this movie to see how it sets up Avengers 4.

Very nice review! I agree with pretty much everything here. Going to be seeing this one in the theaters a minimum of 3x for sure.


Haven't done that for a movie since watchmen and the dark Knight.

 

[Ares Black]

Agree 100%. Star Wars nerds are impossible to please. I thought Episode 7 and 8 were both entertaining movies and on par with all of the rest of them. I am not a diehard fan though so I just take them as they are, fun popcorn flicks. The originals were before my time and pretty dated in my opinion so I have never been able to get into them much.

7 and 8(and Rogue One) were all WAAAY better than the prequels. Rewatched them recently and they are just awful, especially Episode 1.

 

[Midnighter]

been seeing this for years, anyone know where it's from?

 

[minute bull]

Damn, I want that as an Avatar!

You want it inside your butt.

 

[KrazyKanadian]

I watched this again yesterday, and Thanos is such a fucking great villian - especially for a superhero movie - because he isn't just "pure evil" or just wants to kill everything for the fun of it. Nor does he just lust for power just to have control over people. He seriously thinks he's helping the universe. And the thing is, he does have a point.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

imho the star wars franchise is at a disadvantage with needing to name every one of their films "star wars". If it isn't with "cannon" or "the way a star wars film is supposed to feel" it gets blasted. So they try to force films to feel a certain way at the same time wanting to break the mold. Not an easy thing to do. Marvel films don't have this problem.

I do think theres a difference in the strengths of the film though, the MCU has I think always been about characters above everything else and has never put strong focus on internal logic were as Starwars has, part of the attraction is the setting and its established politics and rules.

That said if you look at The Last Jedi I don't think that's were most of the criticism has come from, the biggest criticism is I think one that Marvel would suffer from as well if they did it, that is getting the characterisation of a big character wrong in Luke. Imagine Marvel showed Tony Stark looking to kill Peter Parker in his sleep because of some vision of the future with no explantion for the change in character, indeed even worse with Luke, they'd done this and tried to pretend this represented his original character accurately.

Infinity Wars for me actually has a very similar intension to Last Jedi, both films are looking to deconstruct the heroes motivation. The difference is Marvel does it honestly staying in character and has the balls to follow though on the conclusion, Last Jedi does it dishonestly faking Luke's character and having other heroes lose simply because the plot says so(Poe and Finn) rather than a moral failing before backing away from its climax and having Rey/Kylo retreat to obvious her/villain roles.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

The deaths were definitely jaw dropping. My only complaint, a very minor one if that is that by killing guys like Spider Man and Quill who already have standalone movies announced made it way too obvious that something will happen in part 4 that brings everyone back. If they had killed the original Avengers (whos contracts are all almost up so from that standpoint it would have made sense for them to die and pass the torch) or black panther (who also has a sequel coming but the black panther title could have just been passed to his sister) then it would have truly set up a year of anticipation.

I am already wanting to see it again, this is not a movie that can be appreciated enough just seeing it one time. And Marvel ending the movie this way just put 100s of millions more in their pockets for the forthcoming Ant Man movie this summer as everyone will be dying to see this movie to see how it sets up Avengers 4.

Yeah, but the point of that scene was not to shock people. It wasn't a 'gotcha' moment.
I think TV shows like The Walking Dead, and to an extent, Game of Thrones are conditioning people to think that a shock death is necessary..or that cliffhangers are necessary.
I didn't think the scene was about that at all, especially since this is basically a retelling of a story that's already been told in the comics.
What happens within the actual movie shouldn't be influenced by outside stuff like contracts and who has what movie lined up. When directors start making movies with that mindset, it will hurt the movie's quality.

 

[fungi]

All Thanos has to do is implement a one child policy. This way he wont directly kill anyone. He just cut their bloodlines short, which is in the long run killing a person off, but it is much easier for the whole universe to swallow. Thanos will not have to fight so much now.

He has the infinity gauntlet, so he can snap his fingers and wish for every being in the universe to lose their reproductive capabilities after one child. Like as soon as a man cums, he automatically get vasectomized. Once female gets pregnant, her ovaries produce no more eggs.

This method is not so finite either. People will actually get the chance to see what it is like. In their minds they have a choice. They will think, if I want more kids down the road we can always vote to reverse it.

Its really that simply. Thanos is not as smart as people make him out to be. I am smarter. In fact, I even have a plan to beat Thanos using Dormammu. So I am smarter than all the MCU.

"No shit, Sherlock!))"

With asexual reproduction if one dies before spawning an offspring, one child policy will result in extinction.

With sexual reproduction, depending on mortality rates, a range of 2.1 to 3.4* children per woman is the required fertility rate for population replacement. On average, globally ~2.33 children born per woman are required for stable population numbers.

* - 3.4 fertility rate is for shithole countries with high mortality rates, especially among children.

Again, 1 child policy = extinction.

P.s. the "math of Thanos" in IW is illogical and fucked up. Killing off half the breeders solves nothing. They will just re-reproduce again, later.

Otherwise, I enjoyed the movie.

 

[heavyarms21]

Ego inadvertently helps Thanos the Expanse attempt looked like it damaged part of Xandar making it more vulnerable to Thanos' attack.

 

[heavyarms21]

Yeah, but the point of that scene was not to shock people. It wasn't a 'gotcha' moment.
I think TV shows like The Walking Dead, and to an extent, Game of Thrones are conditioning people to think that a shock death is necessary..or that cliffhangers are necessary.
I didn't think the scene was about that at all, especially since this is basically a retelling of a story that's already been told in the comics.
What happens within the actual movie shouldn't be influenced by outside stuff like contracts and who has what movie lined up. When directors start making movies with that mindset, it will hurt the movie's quality.

Bingo people are too hung up on "One sequel is coming up , that character isn't dead " Well in comics people come back all the time so in this sense we see the remaining heroes at Rock Bottom now we get to see where they have to go from here.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yeah, but the point of that scene was not to shock people. It wasn't a 'gotcha' moment.
I think TV shows like The Walking Dead, and to an extent, Game of Thrones are conditioning people to think that a shock death is necessary..or that cliffhangers are necessary.
I didn't think the scene was about that at all, especially since this is basically a retelling of a story that's already been told in the comics.
What happens within the actual movie shouldn't be influenced by outside stuff like contracts and who has what movie lined up. When directors start making movies with that mindset, it will hurt the movie's quality.

I think part of the problem is that Game of Thrones has generally used this style very effectively but its only been so because the deaths were both setup and payoff well plus of course fit into the brutal setting. That doesn't hold that killing off characters for good is the only way to build serious drama and in this case as I said before I think the deaths at the end aren't actually about the characters who die so much as those who do not. Its about putting a weight of loss and even guilt on the survivors(and though them the audience) which I would imagine is going to be addressed before we ultimately see things reversed in the sequel.

Indeed I think you could argue the most interesting thing with the sequel is not how do they end it but how do they start it? how much of a reaction do you show?

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

I kinda wish we could've seen Thanos decimate Xandar.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I kinda wish we could've seen Thanos decimate Xandar.

Would have been a nice touch if they'd thrown in something in Ragnarok about that, maybe have someone escaping from Xandar on Saakar?

 

[PrepareForGlory]

Why didn't they just kill Thanos when they were going for the gauntlet?

Loki tried to stab him in the throat, Gamora did stab him in the throat (kind of) and Thanos said Nebula got the drop on him and "nearly succeeded" in killing him..so he can be killed right?

Why didn't Iron Man/Spider-Man/Star Lord just stab him in the neck when they had the chance? I haven't seen this addressed yet.

Other than the obvious reason of "because then there would be no movie!"...is there any reason they were concentrating on the Gauntlet and not just killing Thanos?

 

[ssBaldy]

Why didn't they just kill Thanos when they were going for the gauntlet?

Loki tried to stab him in the throat, Gamora did stab him in the throat (kind of) and Thanos said Nebula got the drop on him and "nearly succeeded" in killing him..so he can be killed right?

Why didn't Iron Man/Spider-Man/Star Lord just stab him in the neck when they had the chance? I haven't seen this addressed yet.

Other than the obvious reason of "because then there would be no movie!"...is there any reason they were concentrating on the Gauntlet and not just killing Thanos?

or even better and pg-friendly way - Dr.Strange opens a portal, Iron man flies unconscious Thanos through it leaving gauntleted hand out, Strange closes the portal. Voila!