Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.10

[Deleted member 110072]

I think Pixar movies are more complex than if someone just described them as kid's stuff which is viewed as being dismissive. And people can talk about Star Wars for a long time doing deep dives into a lot of things. For me depth is the result of complexity..

"Depth" and "complexity" are I spose words that could be a lot of things but again I wouldn't say you need a massively complex story to have depth, in many films I think complexity can serve only to obscure the depth and indeed relation to real world events often IMHO has cinema trying to claim credibility merely by that relation rather than its own success.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

"Most of the time, he can be apathetic, cynical, and threatening. Despite his outwardly cold nature, Dandelion notes that behind his exterior hides a fiercely loyal friend, and a man of good humour and as someone not indifferent to suffering. "

If you cut out the second part you can claim he isn't a hero. But if you include the second and actually played the game you can see why he can be considered a hero.

adding that in no way makes him a hero lol

also Ive played the 2nd and the 3rd games, I know the character(a bit better than you do it seems)

what does he say in this?

 

[Magooglie]

adding that in no way makes him a hero lol

also Ive played the 2nd and the 3rd games, I know the character(a bit better than you do it seems)

what does he say in this?

What does he say in this? If he was truly apathetic and cynical he would have let them lynch the girl. But he is not indifferent to the suffering of others.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

What does he say in this? If he was truly apathetic and cynical he would have let them lynch the girl. But he is not indifferent to the suffering of others.

lol reaching..... so if a morally grey individual saves someone he instantly becomes a hero?

Geralt is a mercenary, he'll kill almost anything and anyone if given enough gold

 

[Magooglie]

"Depth" and "complexity" are I spose words that could be a lot of things but again I wouldn't say you need a massively complex story to have depth, in many films I think complexity can serve only to obscure the depth and indeed relation to real world events often IMHO has cinema trying to claim credibility merely by that relation rather than its own success.

I don't think stories need to have a lot of depth points which people view as a complex, or negatively, a complicated story. But if it has one depth point that can be burrowed into deeply then that's complexity. Those are just my definitions.

 

[Magooglie]

lol reaching..... so if a morally grey individual saves someone he instantly becomes a hero?

Geralt is a mercenary, he'll kill almost anything and anyone if given enough gold

Did you not watch the video, a scene that takes place right before the start of the game? I know you didn't play the game. He said he'd rather choose no evil aka he'd try to eliminate both evils. Geralt strives to be a good man. He has economic considerations because he's poor all the time, but the urge and desire and actions are there. Under that definition, in this thread, he's Captain Alternate Poland.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I don't think stories need to have a lot of depth points which people view as a complex, or negatively, a complicated story. But if it has one depth point that can be burrowed into deeply then that's complexity. Those are just my definitions.

Again I think Avatar actually provides a good example of the reverse, I think its actually a film that strives for more complexity than Infinity War yet has less depth. The Marvel film ultimately is about a super villain with a destructive plan fighting heroes trying to stop him, Avatar on the other hand looks to bring in a much more grounded and complex world touching in environmentalism, colonialism, etc yet it wears these things like empty badges on its chest giving them no depth beyond the Navi being good and the humans bad.

Infinity War on the other hand takes its more simple setup yet gives its villain a motivation that challenges the heroes and leaves the viewer to consider both of them.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Did you not watch the video, a scene that takes place right before the start of the game? I know you didn't play the game. He said he'd rather choose no evil aka he'd try to eliminate both evils. Geralt that strives to be a good man. He has economic considerations because he's poor all the time, but the urge and desire and actions are there. Under that definition, in this thread, he's Captain Alternate Poland.

Ive seen that video multiple times, but again that one individual act is not a sign of heroism..... its him not seeing a difference between the monsters he is hired to kill, and the people who hire him in the first place. Yes in your eyes you view it as an act of heroism, but he doesnt, he views it as what he is supposed to do.... kill monsters

 

[Magooglie]

Again I think Avatar actually provides a good example of the reverse, I think its actually a film that strives for more complexity than Infinity War yet has less depth. The Marvel film ultimately is about a super villain with a destructive plan fighting heroes trying to stop him, Avatar on the other hand looks to bring in a much more grounded and complex world touching in environmentalism, colonialism, etc.

But the humans will eventually be good like in our reality. I think.

 

[Magooglie]

Ive seen that video multiple times, but again that one individual act is not a sign of heroism..... its him not seeing a difference between the monsters he is hired to kill, and the people who hire him in the first place. Yes in your eyes you view it as an act of heroism, but he doesnt, he views it as what he is supposed to do.... kill monsters

This is how I know you didn't play the game. Because the game gives you choices where you can try to continue on that line of thinking and be a hero. It is highly unprofessional to kill your employers. But he did it anyway, because he valued the life of a seemingly innocent girl. He views it as right and good and acted upon those views. That is a hero. He's a humble guy so he won't name himself Captain Alternate Poland. It seems like to you if he was burning down houses and raping little boys but self identified as a hero, Geralt the Hero, then he'd be a hero. Actions ultimately define heroes, not titles. And Geralt is a man of good action.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

But the humans will eventually be good like in our reality. I think.

In that film though there's really little depth to the humans outside of the band who join the Navi. We never for example see it raised that the humans needing the resources on that planet to avoid extinction as a justification for their actions, rather we just get a bad general screaming about human superiority.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

This is how I know you didn't play the game. Because the game gives you choices where you can try to continue on that line of thinking and be a hero. It is highly unprofessional to kill your employers. But he did it anyway, because he valued the life of a seemingly innocent girl. He views it as right and good and acted upon those views. That is a hero. He's a humble guy so he won't name himself Captain Alternate Poland. It seems like to you if he was burning down houses and raping little boys but self identified as a hero, Geralt the Hero, then he'd be a hero. Actions ultimately define heroes, not titles. And Geralt is a man of good action.

I understand that you can make choices in the game.... but our individual choices are not canon for that character lol

again, are you just being difficult or what?

 

[Magooglie]

I understand that you can make choices in the game.... but our individual choices are not canon for that character lol

again, are you just being difficult or what?

You can choose your decisions from Witcher 2 at the beginning of Witcher 3 or import them from a save so they actually are. And the video I showed you, which no one can have a choice in because it's not a video game states he would rather eliminate all the evils. You know, the thing opposite from the good.

I'm answering all your points and you're not answering mine. Maybe you won't say "I'm Captain Difficult" but your actions point to you being difficult. You are being difficult.

 

[bosox32]

I would say Jake's heroic part of the story is a good example and clearly the best part of the film but the wider political stuff seems to be the opposite to me, its actually a trying to tell a wider more complex story but doing it in a fashion without much depth.

I'd say Its a film almost totally lacking in self awareness which I think most good blockbuster cinema has plenty of. To me it had the whiff of...

Jake basically becomes a brainwashed facist/racist who declaims the human race untermensch.

Lol

 

[MayhemMonkey]

You can choose your decisions from Witcher 2 at the beginning of Witcher 3 or import them from a save so they actually are. And the video I showed you, which no one can have a choice in because it's not a video game states he would rather eliminate all the evils. You know, the thing opposite from the good.

I'm answering all your points and you're not answering mine. Maybe you won't say "I'm Captain Difficult" but your actions point to you being difficult. You are being difficult.

what are you asking? all you are doing is saying he is a hero because when you played as that character you played as a hero.... which is idiotic.

maybe if you paid attention whilst playing the games you would have a better understanding of the character

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

can we get a mod to clean up on aisle 5

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

@Dragonlordxxxxx

Please snap your fingers.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

can we get a mod to clean up on aisle 5

@Dragonlordxxxxx

Please snap your fingers.

 

[Magooglie]

what are you asking? all you are doing is saying he is a hero because when you played as that character you played as a hero.... which is idiotic.

maybe if you paid attention whilst playing the games you would have a better understanding of the character

What do you mean what am I asking? Go read my previous posts and everything that ends with a question mark is a question. You should respond to those things, which you did not. I've addressed your points on canon and the nature of what is canon in video games, i've addressed you wanting Geralt to call himself a hero, and I addressed canon media supporting that he is heroic. You have not made a case that Geralt is not a hero in the face of evidence that he is. You have tried to manipulate evidence. You have not played the games so have very little understanding. You cannot even understand evidence that you read on a wiki or watched on youtube. That is very sad.

 

[Magooglie]

In that film though there's really little depth to the humans outside of the band who join the Navi. We never for example see it raised that the humans needing the resources on that planet to avoid extinction as a justification for their actions, rather we just get a bad general screaming about human superiority.

I've only watched the movie once and it was space Dances with Wolves but the Americans in Dances with Wolves become the good guys eventually. I think.