Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.10

[Magooglie]

What complex issues are in avengers?

Dealing with mental stress and fatigue of being a hero. The moral choices of how to go about saving people. The nature of revenge vs rehabilitation.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Yes it is. Since it's a video game you can play him like a whackadoo hero but you can also play him as a hero hero.

no it isnt, you can play like that.... true, but the character Geralt of Rivia is no hero lol.

 

[The Witcher]

Dealing with mental stress and fatigue of being a hero. The moral choices of how to go about saving people. The nature of revenge vs rehabilitation.

The last one is a good one.

 

[Magooglie]

no it isnt, you can play like that.... true, but the character Geralt of Rivia is no hero lol.

If you can play like that then he's a hero. I can do everything with heroic intention in that game.

 

[Magooglie]

The last one is a good one.

They're all good ones.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Saving the world you mean? What was the longest screen time for a character in avengers i heard it was the green girl for like 12 mins?

wtf does "saving the world you mean?" have to do with what I said?....oh and what does Ciri do at the end of the game?

also what does screen time have to do with anything?

 

[MayhemMonkey]

If you can play like that then he's a hero. I can do everything with heroic intention in that game.

are you just trying to be difficult? or are you actually not understanding what Im saying?

while you may play it with heroic intention..... even when you choose the heroic option Geralt will grumble about it.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Dealing with mental stress and fatigue of being a hero. The moral choices of how to go about saving people. The nature of revenge vs rehabilitation.

I don't think a film automatically needs to be "complex" to have depth to it either.

 

[Magooglie]

are you just trying to be difficult? or are you actually not understanding what Im saying?

Are you trying to be difficult? When the Witcher became a role playing video game the character of Geralt became influenceable by the player, it's the nature of the medium. There are also certain fixed outcomes in the game that are just considered good. If you want to say he's not a hero in the books that's fine.

 

[The Witcher]

wtf does "saving the world you mean?" have to do with what I said?....oh and what does Ciri do at the end of the game?

also what does screen time have to do with anything?

Lmao. Im going for breakfast mate. Might discuss later if i remember. Cool AV by the way i just noticed it now

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Are you trying to be difficult? When the Witcher became a role playing video game the character of Geralt became influenceable by the player, it's the nature of the medium. If you want to say he's not a hero in the books that's fine.

thats if you consider him the same as any other role playing game protagonist where you create him and his backstory..... Which would be idiotic to do. Geralt of Rivia has lived for roughly 100 years(if I remember correctly) before the games are set. so how the fuck does your decisions in your playthrough dictate that characters moral standing?

 

[Magooglie]

I don't think a film automatically needs to be "complex" to have depth to it either.

Examples? Like Pixar films are for children but i'd say they also have depth and complexity to them. I'd argue there's nothing wrong with having simple pleasures either. But The Witcher saying the MCU movies have no depth is just flat out wrong.

 

[bosox32]

If anything the Russo bother films contain the most depth of issues out of all MCU films.

Compare Thanos motivations to Loki in Avengers 1. It’s laughable how broadly different they are.

 

[Magooglie]

thats if you consider him the same as any other role playing game protagonist where you create him and his backstory..... Which would be idiotic to do. Geralt of Rivia has lived for roughly 100 years(if I remember correctly) before the games are set. so how the fuck does your decisions in your playthrough dictate that characters moral standing?

Have you not played the game? You can do a lot of things that are considered good. Take the money or give the money to the child's foster parent so the kid can be cared for. Help the aspiring blacksmith girl achieve her goal to become a master. But also don't put her former boss out of business. Have them work as a team. Those are off the top of my head.

As for his back story, he's very misunderstood. He's called the Butcher of Blaviken but the scenario that led to that name involves him trying to save innocent people, which is very heroic.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Examples? Like Pixar films are for children but i'd say they also have depth and complexity to them. I'd argue there's nothing wrong with having simple pleasures either.

I wouldn't say Pixar films are very complex but they do have depth to them, indeed I'd say that a lot of the idea behind blockbuster genre cinema generally is to be able to cover an issue in a fashion that's less complex but more focused than something more linked into the real world.

In the original Starwars films for example I think they can focus more on the nature of Luke's heroism than if he'd say been a solider in WW2.

 

[bosox32]

Examples? Like Pixar films are for children but i'd say they also have depth and complexity to them. I'd argue there's nothing wrong with having simple pleasures either.

I’d say Avatar while being a relatively simple story contained a decent amount of depth. Issues like family, belonging, colonialism, technologies, greed, religion. Not saying it’s a great movie, but it’s the first that popped in my head as depth without complexity.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Have you not played the game? You can do a lot of things that are considered good. Take the money or give the money to the child's foster parent so the kid can be cared for. Help the aspiring blacksmith girl achieve her goal to become a master. But also don't put her former boss out of business. Have them work as a team. Those are off the top of my head.

As for his back story, he's very misunderstood. He's called the Butcher of Blaviken but the scenario that led to that name involves him trying to save innocent people, which is very heroic.

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Geralt_of_Rivia

Most of the time, he can be apathetic, cynical, and threatening

as I said, not a hero

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I’d say Avatar while being a relatively simple story contained a decent amount of depth. Issues like family, belonging, colonialism, technologies, greed, religion. Not saying it’s a great movie, but it’s the first that popped in my head as depth without complexity.

I would say Jake's heroic part of the story is a good example and clearly the best part of the film but the wider political stuff seems to be the opposite to me, its actually a trying to tell a wider more complex story but doing it in a fashion without much depth.

I'd say Its a film almost totally lacking in self awareness which I think most good blockbuster cinema has plenty of. To me it had the whiff of...

Jake basically becomes a brainwashed facist/racist who judges the human race untermensch.

 

[Magooglie]

I wouldn't say Pixar films are very complex but they do have depth to them, indeed I'd say that a lot of the idea behind blockbuster genre cinema generally is to be able to cover an issue in a fashion that's less complex but more focused than something more linked into the real world.

In the original Starwars films for example I think they can focus more on the nature of Luke's heroism than if he'd say been a solider in WW2.

I think Pixar movies are more complex than if someone just described them as kid's stuff which is viewed as being dismissive. And people can talk about Star Wars for a long time doing deep dives into a lot of things. For me depth is the result of complexity.

I’d say Avatar while being a relatively simple story contained a decent amount of depth. Issues like family, belonging, colonialism, technologies, greed, religion. Not saying it’s a great movie, but it’s the first that popped in my head as depth without complexity.

I think you can have a simple story that touches on numerous issues thereby exposing complex issues that result in the depth.

 

[Magooglie]

http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Geralt_of_Rivia



as I said, not a hero

"Most of the time, he can be apathetic, cynical, and threatening. Despite his outwardly cold nature, Dandelion notes that behind his exterior hides a fiercely loyal friend, and a man of good humour and as someone not indifferent to suffering. "

If you cut out the second part you can claim he isn't a hero. But if you include the second and actually played the game you can see why he can be considered a hero.