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AVENGERS: ENDGAME (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen AVENGERS: ENDGAME, how would you rate it?

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Of all the deleted scenes



I love Rocket saying "It took you 3 hours to beat the Chitauri? The suckiest army in the universe? Why didn't you just blow up the mother ship right away?"

"We didn't know that was a thing?"

Yes the Chitauri were scrubs. The outriders were far stronger and menacing. Thanos gave Loki his weakest army.
 
Why they are so good. Every one of these visions from Age of Ultron is exactly how it happened in Endgame.
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I'v always said Ultron had quite a lot of strong material in it even if the film as a whole doesn't hold together as well. Part of the problem IMHO is that its a good advert of what happens when you try and force a villain into a story in the wrong way. Marvel always got criticism for having weak villians but I think a lot of the reason for that is that the stories they were telling were naturally more focused on the heroes. The problem here is IMHO Whedon tries to make the film about Ultron but Ultron is a boring "AI hates its creator" story with little substance and ends up falling back to Spaders attempts at witty edgelording. Stark is were the stories really drama is and Ultron should have serviced that more, something I think you can see the Russo's knew very well.
 
Saw Endgame recently, at the worst time possible, right after binging Dark season 1 and season 2.

Compared to the supremely intelligent roller-coaster time travel mastery in that series, the time-travel part in Endgame seemed outright dumb.

First and third act are top-tier, though.

8/10
 
So in older story drafts:

Thanos in 2014 before time travelling to the future, goes to Earth with his entire army and kills Captain America. This would be around the time shortly after TWS but before Age of Ultron. Then after that he kiills Tony and the other Avengers. At this point Wanda is not an Avenger and Vision hasn't been created yet. After killing the Avengers he conquers the entire planet.

Then he time travels to 2023 like in the final film and shows them Cap's dead body and tells them he killed the original Avengers in his timeline.



But maybe they thought it was too dark and scrapped it.
 
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That would have gotten a bit over complex for me, as it is the time travel stuff is mostly there to help the plot along rather than being the main focus of the film.
 
Eusung said:
So in older story drafts:

Thanos in 2014 before time travelling to the future, goes to Earth with his entire army and kills Captain America. This would be around the time shortly after TWS but before Age of Ultron. Then after that he kiills Tony and the other Avengers. At this point Wanda is not an Avenger and Vision hasn't been created yet. After killing the Avengers he conquers the entire planet.

Then he time travels to 2023 like in the final film and shows them Cap's dead body and tells them he killed the original Avengers in his timeline.



But maybe they thought it was too dark and scrapped it.
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I'm all for more battles.
 
"In a world where everyone hates GoT now, and everyone is worried about SW, and JK Rowlings won't stop crapping on her legacy, it's a minor miracle that we get a satisfying conclusion"

I guarantee if GoT had 4 decades of fandom behind it and was more PG-13 friendly so ppl could have started watching it as kids - GoT season 8 would be divisive and not universally hated.

Oh they forgot to mention Star Trek. I'm not a fan of Star Trek but I hear terrible things about the state of Star Trek.
 
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Eusung said:
"In a world where everyone hates GoT now, and everyone is worried about SW, and JK Rowlings won't stop crapping on her legacy, it's a minor miracle that we get a satisfying conclusion"

I guarantee if GoT had 4 decades of fandom behind it and was more PG-13 friendly so ppl could have started watching it as kids - GoT season 8 would be divisive and not universally hated.

Oh they forgot to mention Star Trek. I'm not a fan of Star Trek but I hear terrible things about the state of Star Trek.
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The only way to stop GoT season 8 being a huge, steaming pile of dog shit would have been to fire the writers, and put people in charge who actually gave a fuck about the show instead of trying to tie up every plot point with obscene haste. So just for a start, S8 would not have been the final season.

I don't give a fuck about Harry Potter, so I couldn't care less what Rowling does to that universe. Star Wars is proof that women should hold no higher position in the movie industry than VP in Charge of Coffee, Sandwiches and Blow-Jobs; come back, Harvey, all is forgiven. Star Trek is dead in the water, due to mediocre writing. I couldn't even get through the last one.

I do agree that what the MCU has done, bringing a story arc spread out over 11 years and 22 movies to an almost perfect conclusion, both for the characters and the fans, is little short of miraculous. Indeed, nothing I've seen and heard so far about Phase 4 makes me believe they'll be able to replicate it.
 
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Eusung said:
Of all the deleted scenes



I love Rocket saying "It took you 3 hours to beat the Chitauri? The suckiest army in the universe? Why didn't you just blow up the mother ship right away?"

"We didn't know that was a thing?"

Yes the Chitauri were scrubs. The outriders were far stronger and menacing. Thanos gave Loki his weakest army.
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War Machine asking the same question fans have for years,

"And you couldn't have jumped out of the plane before you crashed it?":)
 
KnightTemplar said:
The only way to stop GoT season 8 being a huge, steaming pile of dog shit would have been to fire the writers, and put people in charge who actually gave a fuck about the show instead of trying to tie up every plot point with obscene haste. So just for a start, S8 would not have been the final season.

I don't give a fuck about Harry Potter, so I couldn't care less what Rowling does to that universe. Star Wars is proof that women should hold no higher position in the movie industry than VP in Charge of Coffee, Sandwiches and Blow-Jobs; come back, Harvey, all is forgiven. Star Trek is dead in the water, due to mediocre writing. I couldn't even get through the last one.

I do agree that what the MCU has done, bringing a story arc spread out over 11 years and 22 movies to an almost perfect conclusion, both for the characters and the fans, is little short of miraculous. Indeed, nothing I've seen and heard so far about Phase 4 makes me believe they'll be able to replicate it.
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The good thing about GoT fandom is that they are pretty much in agreement and I rarely if ever see a fan try to defend season 8 or get angry at another fan for trashing it. Imagine if it were like SW fandom - you'd probably still have fans arguing Dany's behavior was brilliant because it "makes sense" or some BS. And how "This isn't Jon's story" in response to criticism of Jon Snow being sidelined in the last few episodes. Or how "The Night King" is not important, the big bad is Cersei....ooops I mean Dany..

Hey on the bright side for phase 4 of MCU, we got great writers like this who were hired because....I have no idea why:

“I wasn’t a huge superhero movie fan before starting to work [at Marvel], but now that I’m doing it, there’s just so much opportunity to make big, positive statements,” Schaeffer told Inverse. “Especially something like Captain Marvel and Black Widow, to have these female-centered stories — I just can’t not be involved in that.”

So she started being a fan of super hero movies around when working on Captain Marvel. So stoked for Black Widow!!
 
TheWorm said:
Weren’t so called “experts” and pundits etc saying like two weeks ago that it was statistically impossible for Endgame to beat Avatar?
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To be fair something funny happened, boxoffice mojo had the film like 10 million behind wich would have made it a photo finish and then in SDCC they annunced Endgame had already beat avatar on a friday (like not even after the weekend numbers).

if you look at the numbers it did 4 million in Greece out of the blue that weekeend ,

Im not saying it was rigged but the film was making peanuts in the foreign market by that time, then it makes 4 million from a small market, no one could have predicted that.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&view=byweekend&wk=2019W29&id=marvel2019.htm
 
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https://theweek.com/speedreads/8540...-avatar-becomes-highestgrossing-film-all-time

"The milestone for Endgame, the culmination of more than a decade of Marvel Studios' storytelling, comes nearly three months after it landed in theaters with a mind-blowing domestic opening weekend of $357 million and a global opening weekend of $1.2 billion. For some time after, box office prognosticators were skeptical that Endgame could leap past Avatar, but a re-release prior to Marvel's Spider-Man: Far From Home helped provide a boost, and Disney also "found additional money when reconciling the movie's final global earnings," the Reporter notes

The timing of this announcement couldn't have been better, either, as Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige was able to inform fans about the studio's achievement at the start of its Saturday San Diego Comic-Con panel"

This other article said they found money, again no one could have predicted that.
 
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