AVENGERS: ENDGAME (Dragonlord's Review)

[MikeMcMann]

So I only liked Black Panther in 2006 because SJWs weren't a thing yet?

WTF? I said I would take you at your word since have no desire to review your post history but with most on this forum the bitching 'after' the movie was by many of the guys bitching 'prior' about SJW stuff.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Black Panther was meh. Not bad but wasnt that good. On par with Wonder Woman at best

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Black Panther was meh. Not bad but wasnt that good. On par with Wonder Woman at best

Yeah that tends to be my opinion, the two leads plus Serkis were good and helped prop it up but the writing/direction wasn't very inspired for me plus I felt the tone/design was a bit too cartoonish.

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

It was a paint by the numbers superhero story. Michael B Jordan really bailed them out with his performance and that character

 

[Limbo Pete]

Pure. Joy.

 

[armbarforhire]

Now only 40m ahead. It's not beating TFA domestic gross.

Now its only 23m (629-652).

TFA did 28m on its 13 day, Endgame only 8, once todays numbers are added (thursday being the last day the holiday effectivele helped TFA gross) they should be some 10m apart.

 

[Hitman81]

I'm getting annoyed with the Russo's. Congrats, you made a few good movies. Stop acting like you're the gd czars of the MCU. Captain America could always lift Thor's hammer. One of the major MCU characters has always been gay. STFU already.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

This film was the nerdiest thing ever done.

But also... its just really jarring with its handling of tone. A character dies and the sad-music takes over but a minute later we're having jokes about Thor's blood being cheeseballs. Apocalyptic battle and then there is a Gurl Power montage. Its sort of impossible to buy the gravity of all these events when you continiously undermine them with fluffy sidebits like these.

Also, goddamn the emotionalism. Are they really trying to make us teary-eyed for freaking superheroes? That first quarter of the movie just felt stuffed with it.

"Heil Hydra" might be the funniest joke in the property's history though.

6/10 not as good as the previous Avengers thingy

Go to sleep, grandpa

 

[ufcfan4]

Now its only 23m (629-652).

TFA did 28m on its 13 day, Endgame only 8, once todays numbers are added (thursday being the last day the holiday effectivele helped TFA gross) they should be some 10m apart.

It would have been cool, but I didn't expect it to surpass The Force Awakens domestically. The numbers that movie put up in North America were insane. When it reached north of 900 million, I assumed that record would stand for a long time.

Just like how you can look at Endgame's opening weekend record and think there's no way anything is touching that for a long time.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

On my first watch, I came away thinking that IW > EG
Now, I don't know. I don't really want to compare them, they're different movies with different tones and goals. It's kind of like how I feel about Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2. I didn't end up appreciating Volume 2 until later on after a few rewatches.

On my 2nd watch of EG, I still didnt' like fat Thor, buttttt I minded it less. But Hulk is still pretty unforgivable. I really would like an explanation as to why they never had him do anything physical other than the snap. Of all people to not get that, I wouldn't of expected the Russos to not get that. Hulk needs to Hulk. Even in the final battle scene, they don't even show him do anything. Why waste the CGI time of him doing stuff in the past, and not in the actual final battle? Just seemed like a really bizarre choice.
That was also a pretty insufficient explanation on how he fused Banner and Hulk...because...I didn't see any of Hulk's personality there. It just looked like Banner with Hulk's body.

And Captain Marvel i felt was handled too sloppily. Even a super powered being like her or Hulk shouldn't be able to just effortlessly take down a galactic space warship. What are these things made of if they can go down with a punch? Thanos jaw can take more hits than his spaceship?

One thing about 'power levels'. I saw some complains about Corvus being taken out by Okoye. And I think it is a mistake to say "X is stronger than X, so there's no way he can be taken out"
The same things were being said back in IW in regards to Vision.
If we were talking about an arm wrestling match, or a fist fight, then there obviously is going to be a clear winner. But when weapons and tactics are involved, it doesn't matter who is stronger. You just have to land the right blow with the right weapon.

Excellent movie. I may see it one more time before it heads out of theaters.
#AvengersBless

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

Why wouldn't we feel an emotional connection to the characters after like 20 movies?

I thought that tone was earned. Vision, Widow, Gamora, Tony, Loki, Quicksilver etc are all dead and not coming back.

Part of me was still waiting on Loki to bail Thor out of a situation in the final battle and make a quip about his weight

 

[Mike]

Part of me was still waiting on Loki to bail Thor out of a situation in the final battle and make a quip about his weight

Was thinking earlier GOTG 3 is going to be really interesting now. What are they going to do about Gamora, is Thor staying with them (please yes!) etc.

In fact a lot of characters have sequels planned out, and I wonder how those are going to play out post IW.

 

[PEB]

Massive spider-man far from home spoiler that will tie to Endgame and ruin the film.

Spoiler

Spider-man takes on mysterio but he is not like the mysterio from the comic books but an expert robot builder who builds superbots that can defeat Spider-man without breaking a sweat. Besides being from the multiverse he makes friends with evil people one of them being chameleon who was posing as Nick Fury. It gets better Spider-man apparently modifies one of mysterio robots into Captain America apparently this is the big spoiler he uses him to defeat one of the baddies from the Spider-man comic. The robot Captain America gives him the classic line and then his suit AI responses in Tony Stark voice telling him he will be with him always or something. Don't say I did not warn you.

 

[Mike]

On my first watch, I came away thinking that IW > EG
Now, I don't know. I don't really want to compare them, they're different movies with different tones and goals. It's kind of like how I feel about Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2. I didn't end up appreciating Volume 2 until later on after a few rewatches.

On my 2nd watch of EG, I still didnt' like fat Thor, buttttt I minded it less. But Hulk is still pretty unforgivable. I really would like an explanation as to why they never had him do anything physical other than the snap. Of all people to not get that, I wouldn't of expected the Russos to not get that. Hulk needs to Hulk. Even in the final battle scene, they don't even show him do anything. Why waste the CGI time of him doing stuff in the past, and not in the actual final battle? Just seemed like a really bizarre choice.
That was also a pretty insufficient explanation on how he fused Banner and Hulk...because...I didn't see any of Hulk's personality there. It just looked like Banner with Hulk's body.

And Captain Marvel i felt was handled too sloppily. Even a super powered being like her or Hulk shouldn't be able to just effortlessly take down a galactic space warship. What are these things made of if they can go down with a punch? Thanos jaw can take more hits than his spaceship?

One thing about 'power levels'. I saw some complains about Corvus being taken out by Okoye. And I think it is a mistake to say "X is stronger than X, so there's no way he can be taken out"
The same things were being said back in IW in regards to Vision.
If we were talking about an arm wrestling match, or a fist fight, then there obviously is going to be a clear winner. But when weapons and tactics are involved, it doesn't matter who is stronger. You just have to land the right blow with the right weapon.

Excellent movie. I may see it one more time before it heads out of theaters.
#AvengersBless

Yeah I see them as 1A and 1B. I like IW more, but imo the movies have different goals and are both very successful.

Not a fan of Cap Marvel in the comics or the movies. I was glad her presence is limited. But the flying through a capitol ship scene is classic and iconic. Every super strong character with flight has done it at least once in the comics. And yes, Thanos is WAY more durable than his ship. Even if that doesn't fit real world logic.

The Invincible comic for example has people smashing through capitol ships all the time. The supers emerge pissed and everyone else is just floating thru space dead lol.




I wasn't as upset as some people about the hulk. I like that the last couple movies use him as an actual character. It's just a hunch, but I feel like Professor Hulk was done because a lot of these movies have hulk showing up as the deus ex machina to save everyone. They even basically joke in Avengers 1 that they don't really need the rest of them to battle the alien invasion. Hulk or Thor could have soloed it.

So I think they wanted to get away from hulk as the get out of jail free card they rely on. That being said I still felt like it was a mistake not having him in the final battle vs thanos.

 

[Grob]

How long until the Russo brothers become the Russo sisters?

Can’t recall where I heard this one:
Parents. Stop naming your child James. It’s 1 kid, it’s Jame.

The time travel makes sense if the following rules are in place.
1. The traveler’s past cannot be changed.
2. The traveler must return to their timeline at a point after the initial “jump”.

Regarding 1. Any changes made by the traveler create new timelines. Steve lived out a life with Peggy in such a timeline and I assume after she passed he then used his pym watch to jump back to where he belonged.

Thanos ‘14 jumped out of his timeline and dies, creating an alternate timeline in which he doesn’t exist and the Snap doesn’t happen.

We the audience are the observers and we only see the main MCU timeline. Any others don’t matter. For example, Rogers could have taken the case of Infinity stones and jumped back to right before the Avengers were to leave on their time heist. But that would have created a different timeline (which is not Roger’s past) so when he goes back to his, it didn’t happen.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Yeah I see them as 1A and 1B. I like IW more, but imo the movies have different goals and are both very successful.

Not a fan of Cap Marvel in the comics or the movies. I was glad her presense is limited. But the flying through a capitol ship scene is classic and iconic. Every super strong character with flight has done it at least once in the comics. And yes, Thanos is WAY more durable than his ship. Even if that doesn't fit real world logic.

The Invincible comic for example has people smashing through capitol ships all the time. The supers emerge pissed and everyone else is just floating thru space dead lol.




I wasn't as upset as some people about the hulk. I like that the last couple movies use him as an actual character. It's just a hunch, but I feel like Professor Hulk was dome because a lot of these movies have hulk showing up as the deus ex machina to save everyone. They even basically joke in Avengers 1 that they don't really need the rest of them to battle the alien invasion. Hulk or Thor could have soloed it.

So I think they wanted to get away from hulk as the get out of jail free card they rely on. That being said I still felt like it was a mistake not having him in the final battle vs thanos.

I get that it's done in the comics, but it just feels like a galactic traveling ship, especially one owned by Thanos shouldn't be so easily destroyed. Just seemed like too cheap a move considering how much firepower it was dishing out.
And I forget, but didnt she do that move in her movie too?

I think Hulk should have had her part in the final battle. He didnt have to win. It would've actually been fitting to see Thanos using the power stone to KO Hulk again.
Or at least show Hulk wrecking random soldiers or members of the Black Order. I didnt need to see him get revenge, but just do something. He was way too tame.

 

[vallik]

Dont count out BP just yet. Boseman is a capable actor, and there are some interesting stories that they can tell with him and the Avengers
In the comics, he only joins in the beginning to spy on them. He's Wakanda first. He's a bit of an asshole in a similar way to Batman.
He may not be interesting by himself, but neither was Captain America until we saw him in a few movies and surrounded him with various characters.

I think Marvel has shown that the character interaction are what can make a movie great. Mix in the right people and sky's the limit.
I never thought I'd say I was a Nebula fan before End Game

the problem isnt that he isnt interesting its he is bland as white rice as far as charisma is concerned the character is a badass but he just isnt an outgoing leader like Tony or Steve

and to change that now IMO would seem forced personally i hope they introduce someone liike Reed to act as the new leader cause atm the top candidates (BP and Captain grumpyface) are horrible picks for me (Strange could do it but how he is portrayed in the movies im not sure if it would work either)

I think moreso than characters or actors an issue Marvel might have in the future is that they've been releasing some quite bland "empowerment" films in Black Panther and Captain Marvel that have failed to add much dramatic tension to the characters involved. I mean Black Panther in Civil War was quite interesting being slow to forgive and vengeful but became much less so in his own film.

yea i was excited for the BP movie (altho wasnt thrilled after seeing the trailer) but i honestly but it in the bottom of the MCU movie overall

Killmonger was absolutely amazing and i was 100% rooting for him the entire movie and once they killed him off my desire to see anymore of wakanda also died

You'll maybe get away with one film like Captain Marvel but the sequels are going to need to introduce some substance to the character if she's going to retain popularity.

doesnt one need to actually have popularity in order to retain it....

ive seen very little praise for the character itself honestly

i enjoyed the movie (in the second half) but the character as it stands right now is a fucking dumpster fire

 

[SmilinDesperado]

the problem isnt that he isnt interesting its he is bland as white rice as far as charisma is concerned the character is a badass but he just isnt an outgoing leader like Tony or Steve

and to change that now IMO would seem forced personally i hope they introduce someone liike Reed to act as the new leader cause atm the top candidates (BP and Captain grumpyface) are horrible picks for me (Strange could do it but how he is portrayed in the movies im not sure if it would work either)



yea i was excited for the BP movie (altho wasnt thrilled after seeing the trailer) but i honestly but it in the bottom of the MCU movie overall

Killmonger was absolutely amazing and i was 100% rooting for him the entire movie and once they killed him off my desire to see anymore of wakanda also died

That's a matter of proper script and movie.
Everyone seemed to like him in Civil War.
BP felt more like an ensemble piece than his movie. I felt like Kilmonger was a more vocal player than BP was.
He hasn't been given much to do with the Avengers to really say how good or bad a fit he would be.

And I'm not sure why everyone is so focused on the "leader" title. Even with Cap and Ironman, it wasn't like there was a clear cut hierarchy. People looked to and respected Cap, and he was kind of the default guy everyone looked to, but it wasn't like there was a general and soldier relationship between him and everyone else. People had their own ideas and strong points.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

WTF? I said I would take you at your word since have no desire to review your post history but with most on this forum the bitching 'after' the movie was by many of the guys bitching 'prior' about SJW stuff.

Ah. I see.

Black Panther, the character, can still be good imo. They need to get him the ebony blade though. And I'd really prefer it if he got his cape. Thor and Vision have capes, so it wouldn't look out of place imo. But he really needs that sword.

He's just so bland right now.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Tell me this Blacl Panther isn't cooler.