Australian Gaming PC thread

So... I haven't played any games yet but I am planning to play the shit out of Diablo 4 when it is released.

Question: is a 5 year old 32 inch Dell Ultrasharp monitor still good enough for gaming or should I replace it?

I have seen good reviews for this: https://www.pcgamer.com/philips-evnia-34m2c8600-oled-gaming-monitor-review/ Good luck trying to find it in stock though :(

Thoughts on monitors? @Madmick
It will generally be fine for gaming really, if you want to play above 60hz then there are other options.

If you want an OLED like that Phillips, check this out.

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/sa...ultrawide-curved-003ms-gaming-monitor-ac59923

I've tried this out when I was last at mwave, it's pretty damn amazing.
 
Oops, somehow I missed this post.

Yeah, it's a beast and I can run up a heap of VMs without issue. I played one video game for about half an hour and haven't gamed since though so the 4090 is definitely going to good use LOL
Glad you’re getting some use out of it. What game did you try?
 
So... I haven't played any games yet but I am planning to play the shit out of Diablo 4 when it is released.

Question: is a 5 year old 32 inch Dell Ultrasharp monitor still good enough for gaming or should I replace it?

I have seen good reviews for this: https://www.pcgamer.com/philips-evnia-34m2c8600-oled-gaming-monitor-review/ Good luck trying to find it in stock though :(

Thoughts on monitors? @Madmick
I think you've mentioned in the past you're not focused on competitive gaming at all, so you prefer monitors engineered with a focus on image quality. However, presently, on an unlimited budget, for the first time, arguably the best of both worlds can be had in the same monitor with the new QD-OLED displays. That's assuming you don't wish to avoid OLED due to burn-in concerns because some still warn this remains an issue in the monitor world. Here's a custom Rtings table and formula weighted for a focus on eye candy monitors:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/93086

If QD-OLED, the Dell Alienware AW3423DW is the variant you'd want because you're on an NVIDIA/G-Sync card (the "F" variant of that monitor is for AMD/Freesync cards). This is a 3440x1440 175Hz monitor (1440p Ultrawide).

Otherwise, you can filter that table by restricting it to the more traditional 16:9 monitors, specifically 4K resolution (3840x2160). Beyond what you see in that Rtings table above, when after the finest image quality in a monitor, today, you can greatly limit your shopping considerations by focusing on two key metrics. First, NVIDIA's official list of certified "G-Sync Ultimate" monitors:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/

Second, pay special attention to the HDR Vesa specification. This is listed as HDR1400, HDR1000, HDR600, HDR400, etc. This is different from and more meaningful than most TV-world definitions like HDR10 or HDR10Pro, although HDR10+ and Dolby Vision indicate a high level of performance that should be about on par with HDR1000. DisplayNinja maintains a special table of G-Sync monitors that makes it very easy to identify this:
https://www.displayninja.com/g-sync-monitor-list/

Among 4K monitors, the ASUS ROG Swift PG32UX & ViewSonic Elite XG321UG are the finest in the world, but at $2300-$2465 USD on Amazon, currently, I think most would find these prohibitively expensive. Not worth the cost. Most appear to opt for units from the confusingly named Samsung Odyssey series; for example, this Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 for $1200 USD (special note: don't fall for scumbag Samsung's attempt to further confuse and mislead consumers with their self-ordained "HDR2000" label, that means nothing, it isn't VESA-certified). Unfortunately, most of these are steeply curved monitors. If you wish to avoid that, I suggest you use the filters in that custom Rtings table I presented to more effectively scour your options.
 
Glad you’re getting some use out of it. What game did you try?

40k chaos gate. Looks great but I could see that I would need to invest a lot of time in a strategy game like that to get into it.

I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
 
I think you've mentioned in the past you're not focused on competitive gaming at all, so you prefer monitors engineered with a focus on image quality. However, presently, on an unlimited budget, for the first time, arguably the best of both worlds can be had in the same monitor with the new QD-OLED displays. That's assuming you don't wish to avoid OLED due to burn-in concerns because some still warn this remains an issue in the monitor world. Here's a custom Rtings table and formula weighted for a focus on eye candy monitors:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/93086

If QD-OLED, the Dell Alienware AW3423DW is the variant you'd want because you're on an NVIDIA/G-Sync card (the "F" variant of that monitor is for AMD/Freesync cards). This is a 3440x1440 175Hz monitor (1440p Ultrawide).

Otherwise, you can filter that table by restricting it to the more traditional 16:9 monitors, specifically 4K resolution (3840x2160). Beyond what you see in that Rtings table above, when after the finest image quality in a monitor, today, you can greatly limit your shopping considerations by focusing on two key metrics. First, NVIDIA's official list of certified "G-Sync Ultimate" monitors:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/

Second, pay special attention to the HDR Vesa specification. This is listed as HDR1400, HDR1000, HDR600, HDR400, etc. This is different from and more meaningful than most TV-world definitions like HDR10 or HDR10Pro, although HDR10+ and Dolby Vision indicate a high level of performance that should be about on par with HDR1000. DisplayNinja maintains a special table of G-Sync monitors that makes it very easy to identify this:
https://www.displayninja.com/g-sync-monitor-list/

Among 4K monitors, the ASUS ROG Swift PG32UX & ViewSonic Elite XG321UG are the finest in the world, but at $2300-$2465 USD on Amazon, currently, I think most would find these prohibitively expensive. Not worth the cost. Most appear to opt for units from the confusingly named Samsung Odyssey series; for example, this Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 for $1200 USD (special note: don't fall for scumbag Samsung's attempt to further confuse and mislead consumers with their self-ordained "HDR2000" label, that means nothing, it isn't VESA-certified). Unfortunately, most of these are steeply curved monitors. If you wish to avoid that, I suggest you use the filters in that custom Rtings table I presented to more effectively scour your options.

Thanks for the detailed response, as always.

Yep, the days where I cared about competitive gaming are long over. I used to be really into FPS but now I'm more interested in strategy or Diablo kind of games.

I actually looked at that Alienware monitor as it seems to rate well but the review you linked says "If you want this only for gaming, it's an excellent choice, but don't use it as a primary display for general desktop use." which is a tad concerning as it's going to be used as a primary monitor as well.

PC Gamer also reviewed the alienware and loved it... until they tried the Phillips variant of the same panel that I linked above which was just released so hasn't been reviewed on rtings.com yet. Do you think the G-Sync Ultimate really makes a difference?

I really haven't kept up with all the different specifications and features. I assume games will look great on any of these high end monitor these days ...hopefully at least?
 
Thanks for the detailed response, as always.

Yep, the days where I cared about competitive gaming are long over. I used to be really into FPS but now I'm more interested in strategy or Diablo kind of games.

I actually looked at that Alienware monitor as it seems to rate well but the review you linked says "If you want this only for gaming, it's an excellent choice, but don't use it as a primary display for general desktop use." which is a tad concerning as it's going to be used as a primary monitor as well.

PC Gamer also reviewed the alienware and loved it... until they tried the Phillips variant of the same panel that I linked above which was just released so hasn't been reviewed on rtings.com yet. Do you think the G-Sync Ultimate really makes a difference?

I really haven't kept up with all the different specifications and features. I assume games will look great on any of these high end monitor these days ...hopefully at least?
If PC Gamer prefers the Philips to the Alienware then perhaps it has supplanted it as the finest QD-OLED, but I don't really care for their reviews because they don't provide any objective basis or measurements for their claims. The G-Sync won't matter that much. The Philips is already Freesync, so it will likely provide VRR down to 48fps. That means the Alienware will only provide a superior, tear-free image when even your beast PC is struggling with graphics, and running from 1-47fps.

The reason they probably warn against primary, general desktop usage is the fact they are OLED. The image quality is more than sufficient. The concern is burn-in. You probably want a traditional IPS panel.
 
If PC Gamer prefers the Philips to the Alienware then perhaps it has supplanted it as the finest QD-OLED, but I don't really care for their reviews because they don't provide any objective basis or measurements for their claims. The G-Sync won't matter that much. The Philips is already Freesync, so it will likely provide VRR down to 48fps. That means the Alienware will only provide a superior, tear-free image when even your beast PC is struggling with graphics, and running from 1-47fps.

The reason they probably warn against primary, general desktop usage is the fact they are OLED. The image quality is more than sufficient. The concern is burn-in. You probably want a traditional IPS panel.

I looked into it and on the Dell Australia site, the AW3423DW is $2100 but on Amazon and a local electronics store it's about $1650. Looks like Dell is inflating the price before a big cut for it's end of financial year sales in June.

On the upside, I can go into the local retailer (JB Hifi) and see it in person. I can also ask about their dead pixel policy.
 
I looked into it and on the Dell Australia site, the AW3423DW is $2100 but on Amazon and a local electronics store it's about $1650. Looks like Dell is inflating the price before a big cut for it's end of financial year sales in June.

On the upside, I can go into the local retailer (JB Hifi) and see it in person. I can also ask about their dead pixel policy.
Given your intended usage of the monitor you instead might just look at quantum dot HDR 4K IPS monitors like the Dell G3223Q, LG 32GQ950-B, Cooler Master Tempest GP27U, or Acer Predator X32 FP. The last of these has received the official G-Sync Ultimate certification from NVIDIA (it's also received AMD highest certification: Freesync Premium Pro).
 
Given your intended usage of the monitor you instead might just look at quantum dot HDR 4K IPS monitors like the Dell G3223Q, LG 32GQ950-B, Cooler Master Tempest GP27U, or Acer Predator X32 FP. The last of these has received the official G-Sync Ultimate certification from NVIDIA (it's also received AMD highest certification: Freesync Premium Pro).

Thanks for the suggestions. After looking into it further, I might see what things look like on my current Dell Ultrasharp 32" monitor before buying anything else. Diablo 4 is out next week so it should be a good test and if I am not happy I can still get in for the end of financial year sales.

I have no idea why these shiny new gaming OLED's have such comparatively shit resolutions though. My 77" OLED that I am on now is 4k and looks fantastic as a monitor. Hell my mobile phone is 4k and that is FAR smaller than these gaming monitors so pixed density shouldn't be an issue.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. After looking into it further, I might see what things look like on my current Dell Ultrasharp 32" monitor before buying anything else. Diablo 4 is out next week so it should be a good test and if I am not happy I can still get in for the end of financial year sales.

I have no idea why these shiny new gaming OLED's have such comparatively shit resolutions though. My 77" OLED that I am on now is 4k and looks fantastic as a monitor. Hell my mobile phone is 4k and that is FAR smaller than these gaming monitors so pixed density shouldn't be an issue.
It's because of current port limitations. The QD-OLEDs are 3440x1440: the ultrawide format. They are also true 10-bit color displays. The corresponding 4K ultrawide resolution would be 5040x2160. To run that display even at just @120Hz would require far more throughput than DisplayPort 1.4 or HDMI 2.1 are capable of carrying. Until DisplayPort 2.0+ becomes a standard (or USB4), you won't see a higher resolution in ultrawides.
 
It's because of current port limitations. The QD-OLEDs are 3440x1440: the ultrawide format. They are also true 10-bit color displays. The corresponding 4K ultrawide resolution would be 5040x2160. To run that display even at just @120Hz would require far more throughput than DisplayPort 1.4 or HDMI 2.1 are capable of carrying. Until DisplayPort 2.0+ becomes a standard (or USB4), you won't see a higher resolution in ultrawides.

Ahh somehow I missed this response. Bummer so it's the interface not the panels that are the limiting factor. Lame.

Even if they bring out monitors with upgraded HDMI or DP, I'll have to buy a new video card anyway... bugger :(
 
As an update, I just ordered this: https://www.mwave.com.au/product/ph...0-175hz-34-oled-curved-gaming-monitor-ac67314

...maybe at least.

I called and they insisted that it is in stock at their suppliers but it's not on Ebay, or Amazon... or the Phillips Australia site which is showing zero stock.

No-one seems to have the damn thing but they do? I'll be pleasantly surprised if it ships, if not I guess I'll wait or order the Alienware monitor that is currently on special for less anyway.
 
As an update, I just ordered this: https://www.mwave.com.au/product/ph...0-175hz-34-oled-curved-gaming-monitor-ac67314

...maybe at least.

I called and they insisted that it is in stock at their suppliers but it's not on Ebay, or Amazon... or the Phillips Australia site which is showing zero stock.

No-one seems to have the damn thing but they do? I'll be pleasantly surprised if it ships, if not I guess I'll wait or order the Alienware monitor that is currently on special for less anyway.
Mwave have always been accurate in their stock levels so I wouldn't worry about them not having it.
 
Mwave have always been accurate in their stock levels so I wouldn't worry about them not having it.

Well if they have it, I'm certainly not complaining. I just wonder how they have it and no-one else does.
 
Well shit...

"We have dispatched your order IN0250XXXX"

Fuck yeah, will provide a review when it arrives.
 
so how is it?

Oh yeah, I forgot to post.

Yeah, it's really good, colours are amazing and the red especially in D4. Super smooth with the 175hz refresh and it just seems to be a great monitor so far.

I honestly thought it would be bigger though. I came from a 32 inch Dell ultrasharp which was a great monitor but was quite a bit taller (or maybe that's just my perception?)

I can notice the missing pixels going from full 4k down to the ultrawide standard this one uses. Still looks amazing but having been playing on 4k with maxed out details until now, I can see the difference.

All in all, would totally recommend it.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to post.

Yeah, it's really good, colours are amazing and the red especially in D4. Super smooth with the 175hz refresh and it just seems to be a great monitor so far.

I honestly thought it would be bigger though. I came from a 32 inch Dell ultrasharp which was a great monitor but was quite a bit taller (or maybe that's just my perception?)

I can notice the missing pixels going from full 4k down to the ultrawide standard this one uses. Still looks amazing but having been playing on 4k with maxed out details until now, I can see the difference.

All in all, would totally recommend it.
Awesome, glad it worked out. I guess maybe it’s a difference in bezel size or something regarding the screen size difference?
 
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