Social Aunt Jemima has been cancelled

[Hadron90]

Some notes about this comedian:

Despite Kersands's reinforcement of negative black stereotypes, very few African Americans disdained his act. Part of his appeal for them lay in his mixing of elements of African American folklore into his show in a way that would appeal to his black audience but be ignored or derided by whites. "Old Aunt Jemima", one of his signature songs, serves as a good example. The song exists in three texts, two published 1875 and one in 1880, suggesting that Kersands made up verses as he sang. All three versions begin in a church, a locale that white minstrels tended to avoid. The 1875 texts describe charismatic black worship practices, but the 1880 edition begins with a black character fleeing a white church because they "prayed so long".[8] Verses from the song soon entered the African American tradition and appeared in later collections of folklore. Other songs Kersands performed featured African American elements like talking animals and weak-versus-strong match-ups. His popularity led many theatre owners to relax rules limiting black patrons to specific sections of the playhouse.

Seems to me like it might not be such a great idea to erase all of this stuff from history.

Yeah, him and the model that played Aunt Jemima are important figures in our civil rights struggle. I'm starting to think that people want to erase the history of the civil rights movement. The revisionists radicals want to paint this picture where no racial progress is ever made in America; that things are basically the same now as they were during the slavery days. This allows them to keep up the narrative that America and capitalism are inherently racist institutions, rather than having to deal with the more realistic and complex history of the wins and losses civil rights have suffered over the years.

 

[Scerpi]

Funny I looked up African American fashion 1920s, and no one looked like that.

lol... Dude stop.

She's not going have to sex with you

 

[Hadron90]

I'm not even upset honestly. I just like to argue, and this shit is easy. Tell me a successful woman living in chicago in the 20s is dressed like field worker and it's just practial to google what urban people of the era dressed like.

Old women TODAY dress like that. Look at Tyler Perry's Madea character.

Like people have posted numerous photos of in this thread, poor people simply used to wear gowns. It was very practical because a lot of people still made their own clothes. A gown is easy to make at home, easy to clean, and allow a lot of movement in a time where basic house hold chores like cleaning floors or washing clothes were pretty physically intensive. They are also cool, which very important because standing over an oven in a house with no air-conditioning can obviously be miserable.

You see to be mad that she wasn't depicted as a middle-class urbanite. It makes no sense. Why does everyone have to be depicted like that?

 

[jx820]

lol... Dude stop.

She's not going have to sex with you

Best response I've gotten so far. 12/10.

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

Old women TODAY dress like that. Look at Tyler Perry's Madea character.

Like people have posted numerous photos of in this thread, poor people simply used to wear gowns. It was very practical because a lot of people still made their own clothes. A gown is easy to make at home, easy to clean, and allow a lot of movement in a time where basic house hold chores like cleaning floors or washing clothes were pretty physically intensive. They are also cool, which very important because standing over an oven in a house with no air-conditioning can obviously be miserable.

You see to be mad that she wasn't depicted as a middle-class urbanite. It makes no sense. Why does everyone have to be depicted like that?

Cooks of all races dress like that when cooking. It would make zero sense to dress in your best clothes and ruin them in the kitchen.

 

[Hadron90]

Except she's a well to do professional living in the city and working as a model and spokesperson in clothes that were picked out by a wardrobe department to make her look like she's none of the things I just mentioned, and painted into slavery era imagery of a bygone era.

Eminem has like 100 million dollars and still wears oversized off-brand hoodies and sweatpants. Its about projecting a look of authenticity.

 

[jx820]

You see to be mad that she wasn't depicted as a middle-class urbanite. It makes no sense. Why does everyone have to be depicted like that?

Genuinely not mad. Even if I was a full blown culture warrior, which I'm not at all, I'd be on the winning side of this. So I'm not at all mad. To the extent I have any frustration its that I can't help but feed the trolls.

So on to the question of "why does everyone need to be depicted like that"? They don't. If they made the white lady in the Aunt Jemima ad I posted previously dress up like Lucy making wine, I wouldn't bat an eye.

The issue is that they chose to capitalize on how great the consumer is supposed to think slavery is. That's it. Full stop.

 

[Hadron90]

Genuinely not mad. Even if I was a full blown culture warrior, which I'm not at all, I'd be on the winning side of this. So I'm not at all mad. To the extent I have any frustration its that I can't help but feed the trolls.

So on to the question of "why does everyone need to be depicted like that"? They don't. If they made the white lady in the Aunt Jemima ad I posted previously dress up like Lucy making wine, I wouldn't bat an eye.

The issue is that they chose to capitalize on how great the consumer is supposed to think slavery is. That's it. Full stop.

Isn't the whole Lucy character, i.e. the happy 1950s house wife stereotype, also on the chopping block? It depicts a time when women had limited rights and freedoms, and shows the women as just happy to be subservient to their husbands. I don't see any brands rushing out to use a 1950s housewife as their mascot these days.

 

[jx820]

Eminem has like 100 million dollars and still wears oversized off-brand hoodies and sweatpants. Its about projecting a look of authenticity.

His wardrobe isn't assigned to him, he has a lot of clout. Models less so.
If he was asked to dress as a slave hapilly catering to aristocrats I think he'd say no.

 

[jx820]

Isn't the whole Lucy character, i.e. the happy 1950s house wife stereotype, also on the chopping block? It depicts a time when women had limited rights and freedoms, and shows the women as just happy to be subservient to their husbands. I don't see any brands rushing out to use a 1950s housewife as their mascot these days.

I don't know if it's on the chopping block. I certainly wouldn't recommend it for contemporary advertising. Today "I'm a busy mom" plays a lot better (for me personally it gives me the douche chills).

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

This shit isn't even real syrup. You're feeding your family that, must be poor. Right @Revolver ?

 

[djacobox372]

What about the Cream of Wheat dude? That seems a lot more blatant.

 

[jx820]

Cooks of all races dress like that when cooking. It would make zero sense to dress in your best clothes and ruin them in the kitchen.

Fair point, no one would ever depict a culinary personallity well dressed in the kitchen.

 

[Overtures]

Racist history but the imagery today doesn’t strike me as racist.

 

[Hadron90]

Fair point, no one would ever depict a culinary personallity well dressed in the kitchen.

No one is arguing that there aren't high-end chefs on tv. We are arguing that there are plenty of poor friendly old grandmas cooking in their gown. I relate to that a lot more than I relate Gordon Ramsay.

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

Fair point, no one would ever depict a culinary personallity well dressed in the kitchen.

Why are you showing photos from the 21 century when we are talking about the early 1900s

 

[jx820]

Why are you showing photos from the 21 century when we are talking about the early 1900s

I'm using photos older than yours.

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

I'm using photos older than yours.

Not really. You're about a 100 years off on time period.

 

[jx820]

Not really. You're about a 100 years off on time period.

Downton Abbey ran from 2010 - 2016. What year are you posting from? Who wins the superbowl in 2021?

I see what you're attempting thought and I'll bite. Here are some ads from the early 20th century. Seems like other models just got to wear regular contempoarary clothes maybe with an apron.

 

[MMA Time Soldier]

Downton Abbey ran from 2010 - 2016. What year are you posting from? Who wins the superbowl in 2021?

I see what you're attempting thought and I'll bite. Here are some ads from the early 20th century. Seems like other models just got to wear regular contempoarary clothes maybe with an apron.

they are wearing the same smocks and
Clothes as aunt Jemima. Not the flapper outfits that you were showing