attn: Coffee Lovers

[ghostwipe]

I like my whiskey how I like my women: 12 years old and mixed up with coke... I mean... uh....

Oops, wrong saying.

 

[ghostwipe]

Seriously though, I love coffee. I think the only downside, other than making your system acidic, is the gradual tolerance to caffeine.

 

[MikeMartial]

Seriously though, I love coffee. I think the only downside, other than making your system acidic, is the gradual tolerance to caffeine.

Urban myth; the PRAL is -1.4.

 

[ronin0352]

Urban myth; the PRAL is -1.4.

Mike, where do you get the PRAL from. I googled it & didn't come up with anything. I know someone posted a link to a pretty good table a while back, but I forgot to bookmark it.

 

[ghostwipe]

If that's true, then even better!

 

[DeadMeat]

I posted a big-assed response to this this morning, but it seems to have disappeared, and I was too bagged from my nightshift to re-type it. At any rate, the basis was this:

Yes, drinking coffee results in AGEs being produced; the same can be said of virtually every food heated even a little. Is this an issue? No, because Mo' Nature is one smart cat, and has packed natural anti-oxidants into said foods. With the coffee bean, chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid being just two of them.

Now, lipid oxidation. This can be looked at two ways: Do I want a really nice, fresh cup of blow-your-mind Joe, or do I want ripped abs? Makes no sense? Let me explain.

If you're concerned about the first, as I am, then you don't want rancid oils in your coffee. A.K.A oxidized lipids. That's the beans that sit, pre-ground, on the shelf for months on end. That's fucking bullshit that crap like that is even sold, and if you buy those beans, you're a tool. Buy fresh roasted beans and grind right before brewing. Organic, free-trade coffee is available everywhere. And no, I'm not a tree hugger. I just don't like cancer.

If you're concerned about the second, well, that would be lipolysis through lipid oxidation, via caffeine consumed in the form of coffee (but not isolated to coffee). It's just one of the mechanisms through which caffeine acts as a thermogenic.

Thanks Mike, your knowledge is awesome.
Unfortenately for me I'm a lazy as heck and rather avoid then grind myself.

And my personal opinion is that the AGEs are perticularly nasty when something is heated allot, like getting roasted, so the anti-oxidants in the coffee itself isn't enough to counter the AGE buildup.

 

[MikeMartial]

Mike, where do you get the PRAL from. I googled it & didn't come up with anything. I know someone posted a link to a pretty good table a while back, but I forgot to bookmark it.

From the man himself: Covering Nutritional Bases

Quite a while back someone posted some great links with that had a few lists even more complete than Berardi's.

And my personal opinion is that the AGEs are perticularly nasty when something is heated allot, like getting roasted, so the anti-oxidants in the coffee itself isn't enough to counter the AGE buildup.

That may be true, and it may vary from the amount of heat to the type of food being heated; IMO, AGEs are in a similar boat as exercise-induced free radicals. While we know "free radicals" can have seriously negative impacts on our health, not ALL are negative, and some even produce positive adaptations.

Needless to say, there's a LOT we just don't know. :icon_chee

 

[SUGARSHANERULEZ]

If you're concerned about the first, as I am, then you don't want rancid oils in your coffee. A.K.A oxidized lipids. That's the beans that sit, pre-ground, on the shelf for months on end. That's fucking bullshit that crap like that is even sold, and if you buy those beans, you're a tool. Buy fresh roasted beans and grind right before brewing. Organic, free-trade coffee is available everywhere. And no, I'm not a tree hugger. I just don't like cancer.

This man knows his coffee. The difference in taste if you grind your own beans is quite apparent.

 

[Chaos Mitten**]

My grandfather died of pancreatic cancer, but I think his martini lunches had more to do with it than coffee.

 

[MikeMartial]

My grandfather died of pancreatic cancer, but I think his martini lunches had more to do with it than coffee.

"Coffee drinking in the USA has remained much the same over the past 100 years but during that time there has been a vast increase in deaths from pancreatic cancer. It is suggested that the same thing is happening with pancreatic cancer as has happened with lung cancer and that this increase in pancreatic cancer has been the result of the combination of coffee drinking and the three-fold increase of immuno-suppressive polyunsaturated fats in the diet. There is a reference to support this concept. D.F. Brik of our National Cancer Institute had reported in 1981 that pancreatic cancer increased when corn oil was added to the diet of golden hamsters."

 

[Chaos Mitten**]

Corn oil, huh?